Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6892|Canberra, AUS
I cannot seriously believe that any halfway sensible person who has given more than thirty seconds' thought to the matter thinks that "abandoning currency" is a good idea.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
+2,054|6840|Little Bentcock
Wouldnt the vouchers just become the new currency anyway
Nyte
Legendary BF2S Veteran
+535|6969|Toronto, ON

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Nyte wrote:

I don't parade around my accomplishments.
I've gotta ask, what's your signature all about?
I haven't changed my signature in years and surprised people even pay it attention.  If it bothers everyone I could change it.
Alpha as fuck.
Nyte
Legendary BF2S Veteran
+535|6969|Toronto, ON
I suggest people read up on "resource based economy".  A semi-radical idea piloted by Fresco.

You are all capitalists.  Both by action and beliefs.  I'm only the former.

Inb4 you liberal capitalists say Fresco is some deluded senile wackjob.

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Alpha as fuck.
Nyte
Legendary BF2S Veteran
+535|6969|Toronto, ON

Spark wrote:

I cannot seriously believe that any halfway sensible person who has given more than thirty seconds' thought to the matter thinks that "abandoning currency" is a good idea.
Capitalist.
Alpha as fuck.
Nyte
Legendary BF2S Veteran
+535|6969|Toronto, ON

Dilbert_X wrote:

Nyte wrote:

There is no way that my actions can ever be reformed in any near future to abide by these beliefs.  So rather than attempt to "live by these beliefs" (which is impossible), I choose to live by whatever society I am living in right now.  It doesn't change what I truly believe to be a better society.
You're free to give away all your money and possessions and migrate to Cuba or Venezuela tomorrow and live the socialist dream.
A dictatorship is not any better.  And they are not true socialist systems anyways.
Alpha as fuck.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6892|Canberra, AUS
do you even know what "currency" is? or have you got your political views by watching zeitgeist?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Nyte
Legendary BF2S Veteran
+535|6969|Toronto, ON

Spark wrote:

do you even know what "currency" is? or have you got your political views by watching zeitgeist?
I don't watch one sided documentaries.

I know what currency is.  In an ideal world, we don't need currency.

Can you all just admit you are capitalists?  Or does that term offend all of you?
Alpha as fuck.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6892|Canberra, AUS
if capitalist means that "objects and services have value, and that value can be measured and used to trade in a systematic and ordered way" then sure (let's ignore the wealth store thing for now, don't want to make things complicated here and i suspect that your 'socialism' doesn't allow for notions of 'wealth')

Last edited by Spark (2013-05-05 05:32:27)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6933

Nyte wrote:

Spark wrote:

do you even know what "currency" is? or have you got your political views by watching zeitgeist?
I don't watch one sided documentaries.

I know what currency is.  In an ideal world, we don't need currency.

Can you all just admit you are capitalists?  Or does that term offend all of you?
oh my lord.

an asian alpha male wanna be who tells everyone how great he is, working for a huge multinational corporation is a "socialist" in ideals xD.
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M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6440|Escea

Caught a clip of that NRA rally on the news last night. lol'd.

As expected, 'mainstream media' and 'liberals' popped up a few times. It's like watching a bad comedy.
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4471

Nyte wrote:

Spark wrote:

do you even know what "currency" is? or have you got your political views by watching zeitgeist?
I don't watch one sided documentaries.

I know what currency is.  In an ideal world, we don't need currency.

Can you all just admit you are capitalists?  Or does that term offend all of you?
dude you are a fucking joke. i posted some thing in a thread about 2-3 weeks ago about lawyers being "financial opportunists", or the profession having a rather 'special' set of ethical principles based around careerism/money-making, and you went off on one and called me an "anti-capitalist liberal" (and you meant it pejoratively, as a north american could only invariably conceive it). now you're all "let's abandon currency" and "you guys are all crypto-capitalists". LOL. are you insane?

i'm starting to think you are actually a little mentally imbalanced.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-05-05 07:05:43)

Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4471

13rin wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

5-year-old shoots 2-year-old sister in Kentucky


I don't know which one the "trained" kid was "playing with" while the mom who knew he was "playing" with it stepped outside, but here's the brightly-colored, attractive lineup marketed for children:

Examples -





pew pew pew pew *boom*







wtf america




Anyway, the whole story stinks of bullshit. Either they're lying about the kid being properly trained or the kid is being framed by his own parent.
Ah.. My bad.. I see what you're on about... Nah, this is textbook bad parenting.  Apologies to Uzi as his point was a tad late.  I had a "youth sized" .22 back in the day.  It's like a amped up pellet gun.   They're out there to facilitate proper shooting technique as it's kinda hard to teach a kid to shoot a full size bolt action, so its scaled down.  Again, proper supervision is the fail here.  But still, what's to stop the kid from stabbing the fuck outta his sib cause knives are readily accessible or hitting em with the hammer from the garage?  But back to the marketing...  When was the last time (as you run to google) that you've seen a "chipmunk .22" ad?
i don't understand why a child should be "facilitated to proper shooting technique". seems an odd activity to encourage a child to partake in. to a non-american that is, i humbly submit. to me it makes about as much sense as buying an 11 year old child a small motorized car/motorbike to "get him used to driving". or giving him a shot of vodka with each family dinner to "get his stomach used to drink". or making him sit down with an excel spreadsheet for 45 minutes every evening to "get him used to work". these are adult things.

https://i.imgur.com/XPRPqDL.jpg

although i suppose in a country as absurd as america, one can rely on the circuitous reasoning that a child needs a gun to get used to 'exercising self-defense' or suchlike... in a country where the gun-problem sees 8 year olds massacred by guns, it only makes sense to arm them and train them at a young age.

there's pretty much only one other place in the world where you'll see photo-scenes like the above in such a casual manner...

https://whereisemilylim.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/child-soldiers11.jpg

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-05-05 08:47:35)

-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|6876|BC, Canada
"The Constitution" or some such answer...

It's totally ridiculous to think that you should be allowing children to touch guns.
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6932|US

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

i don't understand why a child should be "facilitated to proper shooting technique". seems an odd activity to encourage a child to partake in.
The Boy Scouts have been doing it for about a century, and I haven't heard many complaints.  What are your concerns, other than it being a foreign concept to you?
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4471
foreign concept? the boy scouts were invented by a british dude. it's an english institution. and no, they aren't given real guns. real shooting was never part of the original scouting ethos.

n 1906 and 1907 Robert Baden-Powell, a lieutenant general in the British Army wrote a book for boys about reconnaissance and scouting. Baden-Powell wrote Scouting for Boys (London, 1908), based on his earlier books about military scouting, with influence and support of Frederick Russell Burnham (Chief of Scouts in British Africa), Ernest Thompson Seton of the Woodcraft Indians, William Alexander Smith of the Boys' Brigade, and his publisher Pearson. In the summer of 1907 Baden-Powell held a camp on Brownsea Island in England to test ideas for his book. This camp and the publication of Scouting for Boys are generally regarded as the start of the Scout movement.

The movement employs the Scout method, a program of informal education with an emphasis on practical outdoor activities, including camping, woodcraft, aquatics, hiking, backpacking, and sports. Another widely recognized movement characteristic is the Scout uniform, by intent hiding all differences of social standing in a country and making for equality, with neckerchief and campaign hat or comparable headwear. Distinctive uniform insignia include the fleur-de-lis and the trefoil, as well as badges and other patches.
none of which involves giving lethal weapons to young children, or instilling a sense of violence or 'threat' in them. just because you americans do it, doesn't make it 'right', nor does it make it 'acceptable'. training children to use guns is completely against the spirit of the original scouts.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-05-05 10:31:03)

Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4471
let's explore this stupid idea of yours a little further:

Common ways to implement the Scout method include having Scouts spending time together in small groups with shared experiences, rituals, and activities, and emphasizing good citizenship and decision-making by young people in an age-appropriate manner. Weekly meetings often take place in local centres known as Scout dens. Cultivating a love and appreciation of the outdoors and outdoor activities is a key element. Primary activities include camping, woodcraft, aquatics, hiking, backpacking, and sports.[50][51]

Camping is most often arranged at the unit level, such as one Scout troop, but there are periodic camps (known in the US as "camporees") and "jamborees". Camps occur a few times a year and may involve several groups from a local area or region camping together for a weekend. The events usually have a theme, such as pioneering. World Scout Moots are gatherings, originally for Rover Scouts, but mainly focused on Scout Leaders. Jamborees are large national or international events held every four years, during which thousands of Scouts camp together for one or two weeks. Activities at these events will include games, scoutcraft competitions, badge, pin or patch trading, aquatics, woodcarving, archery and activities related to the theme of the event.[52]

In some countries a highlight of the year for Scouts is spending at least a week in the summer engaging in an outdoor activity. This can be a camping, hiking, sailing, or other trip with the unit, or a summer camp with broader participation (at the council, state, or provincial level). Scouts attending a summer camp work on merit badges, advancement, and perfecting scoutcraft skills. Summer camps can operate specialty programs for older Scouts, such as sailing, backpacking, canoeing and whitewater, caving, and fishing.[53][54]

At an international level Scouting perceives one of its roles as the promotion of international harmony and peace.[55] Various initiatives are in train towards achieving this aim including the development of activities that benefit the wider community, challenge prejudice and encourage tolerance of diversity. Such programs include co-operation with non-scouting organisations including various NGOs, the United Nations and religious institutions as set out in The Marrakech Charter.[56]
hmmm.

emphasizing good citizenship and decision-making by young people in an age-appropriate manner
At an international level Scouting perceives one of its roles as the promotion of international harmony and peace.[55] Various initiatives are in train towards achieving this aim including the development of activities that benefit the wider community, challenge prejudice and encourage tolerance of diversity
yep, the international scouting movement sure has normalized and made a-okay the idea of giving guns to kids. the scouting movement is nothing short of a militaristic pledge to get our toddlers up to rootin' tootin' sharpshootin' levels of proficiency.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6989|PNW

I don't have any issues with teaching kids gun etiquette and such. We're swimming in a figurative sea of guns and gun culture, so they're bound to encounter one eventually even if they never buy it. But I do have a problem with certain manufacturers' vapid investments in the world of guns-are-toys marketing and parents who don't lock the fucking things up because they were just too dimwitted or they were thinking something along the lines of "well, MY kid isn't like that."

Looks like the morons' website is still down
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5803

speaking of guns. This happened the other day
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5803

I love how the white car in the back decides to stop, watch for a second, and then slowly back away.
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4471
"graphical" material. see what happens in a country that's obsessed with guns? basic grammar can't even be attended to.

america is going to hell.
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4471
must be so cool to live in a freedom loving liberal democracy where 'suicide by cop' is an easily-grasped phrase with a recognized cultural cachet.

this is what 'suicide by cop' looks like in europe.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-05-05 12:11:15)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6989|PNW

Macbeth wrote:

speaking of guns. This happened the other day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1_o_jOaUkY
Did you hear the other bloodthirsty dude wanting to get in on the fun? "I have a pistol!"
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5575|London, England

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

13rin wrote:

Ah.. My bad.. I see what you're on about... Nah, this is textbook bad parenting.  Apologies to Uzi as his point was a tad late.  I had a "youth sized" .22 back in the day.  It's like a amped up pellet gun.   They're out there to facilitate proper shooting technique as it's kinda hard to teach a kid to shoot a full size bolt action, so its scaled down.  Again, proper supervision is the fail here.  But still, what's to stop the kid from stabbing the fuck outta his sib cause knives are readily accessible or hitting em with the hammer from the garage?  But back to the marketing...  When was the last time (as you run to google) that you've seen a "chipmunk .22" ad?
I'm sure he could have clubbed her to death with his face, too, but it would be a more deliberate action than an accidental discharge (if it was accidental).

Anyway, I'm not making a point about "oh my god we can't have small firearms so kids can learn how to shoot and handle them," my point was "why the FUCK would any responsible firearms manufacturer have a line of firearms designed for children that look like fucking toys?" Using Uzique's choice of words, it seems manipulative and sinister. Just like Joe Camel.
Why? It's the parent making the purchase. The parent has already decided they're going to pick out a gun for their kid, at that point, the bright colors are just a 'pick me' marketing thing. It's not like the kid sees the bright colors and buys himself a gun. It's a really stupid thing to get worked up over.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5575|London, England

Adams_BJ wrote:

Wouldnt the vouchers just become the new currency anyway
Yes. The whole 'money is the root of all evil' people are some of the dumbest people on the planet. Money is just a form of exchange so I don't have to trade you three geese for the hammer I want from your hardware store. It's just a tool.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

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