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That racism and sexism have disappeared is not my observation, even from the upper middle class (I imagine a good chunk of 9-11 calls about black men or teens jogging down the street come from wealthy neighborhoods). It's just less socially acceptable these days to come right out and say the racist stuff on your mind. Some people even feel resentful about that. A fact not overlooked by politicians, mind, and exploited.

Comparing drunks to toddlers might sound cute to some, but I don't think it's the best analogy.

Are humans born with an innate knowledge of what side of the plate a fork is supposed to sit, or is that a learned behavior?
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I've calculated over $40k so far. Over 20 macbooks, multiple surface pros, gift cards, who knows what else.
This is well into the 6 figures now. Over $200k and counting. The story has become even more sordid, but I can't share any more details here because I'm absolutely sure I will be involved in the trial. One day I will share, but for now I apologize for not being able to keep you updatedTM
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Not too long from now, in court:

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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I've calculated over $40k so far. Over 20 macbooks, multiple surface pros, gift cards, who knows what else.
This is well into the 6 figures now. Over $200k and counting. The story has become even more sordid, but I can't share any more details here because I'm absolutely sure I will be involved in the trial. One day I will share, but for now I apologize for not being able to keep you updatedTM
How in the hell did that happen?
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uziq wrote:

* and i just don't agree with the premise that every group, in the first encounter with an 'Other', reacts badly or with fear or racism or ostracism. there are any number of studies that show kindergartners of all races getting along fine. before they've gained something like that constructed, society-imposed 'awareness' of difference. most kids don't see colour in this way that you and dilbert make out, as if we react to a change of skin tone by reaching for our clubs and spears.
The kindergateners argument is a stupid one. A lot of human and animal instinct doesn't become apparent until maturity.
Are kindergarteners interested in sex? Well clearly interest in sex is an unnatural learned behaviour and must be educated out of people.

unnamednewbie  wrote:

That racism and sexism have disappeared is not my observation, even from the upper middle class (I imagine a good chunk of 9-11 calls about black men or teens jogging down the street come from wealthy neighborhoods). It's just less socially acceptable these days to come right out and say the racist stuff on your mind.
Exactly, nothing at all has changed, its just people are less overt about it.

Racism/tribalism/cultural supremacy is innate behaviour, if it weren't we wouldn't have separate cultures fighting for supremacy, either they would never have existed or they'd have all died and merged by now.

People like uziq should be grateful for white western cultural arrogance and the aggression to defend it, otherwise he'd be a muslim by now and having a fairly miserable time, or living under the Stalinist or Maoist yoke.

Its still strange that defending your own culture is 'bad mmkay and you're a racist' while at the same time allowing other inferior cultures which are far more racist and intolerant to invade and impose their culture is 'right-on multiculturalism'.

Strange also that people fleeing their failed intolerant cultures don't ditch them at the border.

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are you seriously suggesting that there's a 'pubescence' for racism?

my god, man, you really need to up your scientific reading a bit.

i'm not denying that people can't develop racist views when they mature out of age 4. but that's precisely my argument: that it's created by material factors, by environment, by socialization and society at large. these things are contingent and subject to change. different cultures have different ideas on this very topic.

why you need to make everything into some 'essential', timeless, instinctual thing is beyond me. it's a silly attempt at scientific credibility and a way of avoiding taking responsibility for your toxic attitudes, tbh.

Its still strange that defending your own culture is 'bad mmkay
where have i ever said this? i take a lot of pride in my culture. i don't know if you noticed, but i spent my entire formal education studying it and being very interested in it. such education would have you know that there's more to british or european culture than your silly and rather vague fascistic imaginings.i'm frustrated at times with my home country and think there are things it can do to improve. britain would do well to get over the imperial nostalgia phase which is evidently doing it so much harm now with the patriotic, boorish, brexit stuff. that's all gone and we should get in tune with a new present.

but that's all by the by. the way you make out people who are 'anti-racist', as if that's such a bad thing, to be destroyers of their own culture is just inane. what if i told you ... it's possible to be proud of a country that's inclusive and kind to refugees? make u think mate.

People like uziq should be grateful for white western cultural arrogance and the aggression to defend it, otherwise he'd be a muslim by now and having a fairly miserable time, or living under the Stalinist or Maoist yoke.
so dumb as to almost be beneath comment.

i love it when lunks like you, who never joined the military and has nary been 'aggressive' to another human in his life, for fear of getting bonked on the nose, comes out with this 'defending white civilization' tripe. especially when you invoke those big scary totalitarian ideologies from abroad!

the soldiers who died fighting that stuff were fighting for democracy, not your weird, sexless, ingrown fantasies of ethno-states and 'white supremacy'. i don't know if you noticed that in all your Nazi reading list.

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Both Maoism and Stalinism did not survive for very long. Deng Xiaoping wasted very little time before pushing through reforms in the 70s. De-Stalinization was a project in the 50s, and even today most Russians don't think the victory in WW2 (still fervently celebrated in Russia) outweighs the ills done to the country. Why would someone who grew up in the 90s be doing so under either Maoism or Stalinism?

Additionally, communism has, er, European roots. Makes you think.

Removing Christianity from history also removes Islam. A lot of "if only" and "what if" thinkers forget this.

also, addl reading for dilbert: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averroes

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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

* and i just don't agree with the premise that every group, in the first encounter with an 'Other', reacts badly or with fear or racism or ostracism. there are any number of studies that show kindergartners of all races getting along fine. before they've gained something like that constructed, society-imposed 'awareness' of difference. most kids don't see colour in this way that you and dilbert make out, as if we react to a change of skin tone by reaching for our clubs and spears.
The kindergateners argument is a stupid one. A lot of human and animal instinct doesn't become apparent until maturity.
Are kindergarteners interested in sex? Well clearly interest in sex is an unnatural learned behaviour and must be educated out of people.

unnamednewbie  wrote:

That racism and sexism have disappeared is not my observation, even from the upper middle class (I imagine a good chunk of 9-11 calls about black men or teens jogging down the street come from wealthy neighborhoods). It's just less socially acceptable these days to come right out and say the racist stuff on your mind.
Exactly, nothing at all has changed, its just people are less overt about it.

Racism/tribalism/cultural supremacy is innate behaviour, if it weren't we wouldn't have separate cultures fighting for supremacy, either they would never have existed or they'd have all died and merged by now.

People like uziq should be grateful for white western cultural arrogance and the aggression to defend it, otherwise he'd be a muslim by now and having a fairly miserable time, or living under the Stalinist or Maoist yoke.

Its still strange that defending your own culture is 'bad mmkay and you're a racist' while at the same time allowing other inferior cultures which are far more racist and intolerant to invade and impose their culture is 'right-on multiculturalism'.

Strange also that people fleeing their failed intolerant cultures don't ditch them at the border.
I am sympathetic to arguments about the importance of culture. Socializing dysfunctional people is what I do. The state is paying me to acculturate kids. That said, the worldview isn't perfect. In practice a lot of racial minorities who did try to assimilate into mainstream white culture in the west were met with extreme violence and prohibition in just living memory. Things are very different today and getting better too though.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I've calculated over $40k so far. Over 20 macbooks, multiple surface pros, gift cards, who knows what else.
This is well into the 6 figures now. Over $200k and counting. The story has become even more sordid, but I can't share any more details here because I'm absolutely sure I will be involved in the trial. One day I will share, but for now I apologize for not being able to keep you updatedTM
How more sordid? Are two coworkers sleeping together and running a theft ring?
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Yeah just tell us Ken

If it doesn't involve cocaine and hookers I'm going to be disappointed.
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I request brief feedback from mac: https://twitter.com/drrachaelf/status/1 … 5813263360

Should schools be able to read students' private texts regardless of when they were sent?

Who among staff should be allowed to read them? Should binding oaths of confidentiality should be taken?

How should (cyber)bullying and threats be addressed? What is the deciding factor for what constitutes bullying or threats?

Should relationships, orientations, and curiosities be outed? To whom, and for what reason?

Should schools with these transparency policies be required to issue every student with a school smartphone?

How involved should schools be with students' overall social media lives?
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Yeah just tell us Ken

If it doesn't involve cocaine and hookers I'm going to be disappointed.
It involves one of those
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

I request brief feedback from mac: https://twitter.com/drrachaelf/status/1 … 5813263360

Should schools be able to read students' private texts regardless of when they were sent?

Who among staff should be allowed to read them? Should binding oaths of confidentiality should be taken?

How should (cyber)bullying and threats be addressed? What is the deciding factor for what constitutes bullying or threats?

Should relationships, orientations, and curiosities be outed? To whom, and for what reason?

Should schools with these transparency policies be required to issue every student with a school smartphone?

How involved should schools be with students' overall social media lives?
It should be up to local voters (the people who pay for the schools) to decide which is more important to them: privacy or safety. I feel like giving school's social media oversight would be in total a good thing for society but that is not the job of schools. If that is something the state wants to schools to get involved in then it needs to provide the funding and mandate.
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Hm, I'm skeptical. Given the parental and rather personalized nature of policing a kid's social media, I'm not sure if this is a power that should be decided by a bunch of yahoos in some gerrymandered district.

What if a student's after-hours text gives a serial killer staff member insight on where to find their next isolated victim? What if a teacher feels morally obligated to correct a student's gayness and get a teen evicted from their home? What if the school nitpicks offenses like a gaggle of discord moderators (which opens a can factory of worms)? What if they play favoritism with when to look the other way, and select unfortunate students to constantly ride the asses of, like schools always do?

IMO, having a personalized school agent breathing down your neck 24/7 is practically psychological bullying in and of itself. Imagine going through childhood with that extra paranoia fuel. It's bad enough in some households without denying them the escape of free discourse. Some sweaty 50yo man with his willy out doesn't need to be monitoring a bunch of girls' texts as his nightly entertainment, nor does a teacher need to swipe a student's private phone at random to read their personal texts to the class.

I could easily see these schemes going bad. But if they're going to do it anyway, perhaps they could anonymize tracking and have an algorithm pick up on danger texts to forward for administrative action.

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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It involves one of those
I distinctly recall saying 'and' Ken, keep digging.

I mean honestly, if someone commits a largish fraud and doesn't spend the proceeds on cocaine and hookers then they've failed in life.

Did I recount my cocaine/hooker story here? I can't remember.
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The first casualty has been laid to rest in this saga. One of the Accounts Payable people was pushed off the iceberg by the fatty penguins at corporate.

I think I am in the clear, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's another sacrifice to the corporate compliance gods.

Here's a protip: never put onlyfans charges onto a corporate credit card. It will result in numerous people cringing as the question, "what is onlyfans?" is answered in a corporate boardroom.
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Are book rights possible?
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Ken coming out with his behind the scenes corporate story book I hope
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Here's a protip: never put onlyfans charges onto a corporate credit card. It will result in numerous people cringing as the question, "what is onlyfans?" is answered in a corporate boardroom.
Ha ha thats legendary.

You're really better off paying cash in person.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Here's a protip: never put onlyfans charges onto a corporate credit card. It will result in numerous people cringing as the question, "what is onlyfans?" is answered in a corporate boardroom.
Ha ha thats legendary.

You're really better off paying cash in person.
onlyfans models are not hookers and escorts. whilst some maybe do it as a sideline, onlyfans is just about online content creation (source: used to date an onlyfans model in bristol many yore ago; by doing pretty timid softcore stuff she could afford a penthouse on the nicest street in clifton).

i think most onlyfans models would probably take a bit of offence at being called a prostitute. making money on sites like that got pretty much mainstreamed during the era of covid lockdowns and furloughs. it is incredibly casual for younger people who probably do not think of it as 'sex work'.

and not a lot of cash transactions there.

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So grateful to be going back to work in about 2 weeks. I will have something to keep me busy so I am not spending all my time getting high. The Prots were right about work being good for you.
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Having a tolerable job is nice. Hard work for the sake of Fulfilment Through Hard Work or whatever is only good for your superiors. Also churches that collect massive donations.
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I think work is good for keeping some people balanced and busy. Get them out of the house and into a productive routine. I need that.
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lol, 'house'

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