BF2S Forums Supreme Court begins review of health-care law

Shocking wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Shocking wrote:

Many of them actually are altruists.

Hell no.

If you view politicians as people, like I do, then you can't possibly believe most of them are altruists. Saying most politicians are altruists is like saying most people all altruists. That's just not true.

They, like all other human beings, will do do what is best for them 99% of the time. Especially since they have nice lifestyles most humans beings would kill to have. They won't jeopardize that for the"greater good"

Right I typed a large response and accidentally hit the 'back' button. cba, going to sleep

The idea that politicians are all out to get you is ridiculously paranoid. Statistically it wouldn't make sense anyway. Are we all power hungry and/or criminal? No, a minority is. Then why would all the politicians be?

I'd also like to see you try and defend values and views you don't believe in against experts, political opposition and your peers day in day out for years. That's a whole lot of trouble you're going to have to deal with just for money/power.

Macbeth wrote:

Shocking wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Hell no.

If you view politicians as people, like I do, then you can't possibly believe most of them are altruists. Saying most politicians are altruists is like saying most people all altruists. That's just not true.

They, like all other human beings, will do do what is best for them 99% of the time. Especially since they have nice lifestyles most humans beings would kill to have. They won't jeopardize that for the"greater good"

Right I typed a large response and accidentally hit the 'back' button. cba, going to sleep

The idea that politicians are all out to get you is ridiculously paranoid. Statistically it wouldn't make sense anyway. Are we all power hungry and/or criminal? No, a minority is. Then why would all the politicians be?

I'd also like to see you try and defend values and views you don't believe in against experts, political opposition and your peers day in day out for years. That's a whole lot of trouble you're going to have to deal with just for money/power.

I don't think they are "out to get me". I think they care more about themselves than they care about doing the right thing/best thing for country. Not every person goes out and does criminal things (what the fuck kind of analogy this is I don't know) but everyone is self motivated to a serious degree especially people in positions of power.

Debate team. Join a debate team and you will learn how to do exactly that.

You're painfully naive.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Shocking wrote:

Right I typed a large response and accidentally hit the 'back' button. cba, going to sleep

The idea that politicians are all out to get you is ridiculously paranoid. Statistically it wouldn't make sense anyway. Are we all power hungry and/or criminal? No, a minority is. Then why would all the politicians be?

I'd also like to see you try and defend values and views you don't believe in against experts, political opposition and your peers day in day out for years. That's a whole lot of trouble you're going to have to deal with just for money/power.

I don't think they are "out to get me". I think they care more about themselves than they care about doing the right thing/best thing for country. Not every person goes out and does criminal things (what the fuck kind of analogy this is I don't know) but everyone is self motivated to a serious degree especially people in positions of power.

Debate team. Join a debate team and you will learn how to do exactly that.

You're painfully naive.

See: any moral issue politicians rail against while secretly practicing in their spare time

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

5k a year is pretty steep for health insurance. fuck even in Aussie someone making 100k a year is paying only 1k (1% a year). economies of scale dawg.

Right, because not a penny is taken out of the general fund to cover losses. Your healthcare system makes due with 1% of total income. Yeah, sure, ok.

Sorry, Levy was 1.5%. To fund public projects such as building hospitals, the money is from the Department of Health and Aging + money from relative state governments who make an income on property tax.

Australians do pay less tax than Americans do, and we have a simplified tax system.

Our doctors and nurses are one of the highest paying in the world. Dentists here can make up to 200k+ a year (if they live in mining towns). There is still private health insurance in the system, it's just icing on the top of an existing medicare fund (which 50% of aussies have).

Jay, either way Australians pay less PER capita ($3400) compared to the USA now at $7100. So what if some cash has been taken out of the general fund? At least my tax dollars are better spent at improving healthcare affordability than wasting trillions on wars.

Btw, your sales tax in America is stupid, why don't they put it in the fucking price.

AussieReaper wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

Right, because not a penny is taken out of the general fund to cover losses. Your healthcare system makes due with 1% of total income. Yeah, sure, ok.

Sorry, Levy was 1.5%. To fund public projects such as building hospitals, the money is from the Department of Health and Aging + money from relative state governments who make an income on property tax.

Australians do pay less tax than Americans do, and we have a simplified tax system.

Our doctors and nurses are one of the highest paying in the world. Dentists here can make up to 200k+ a year (if they live in mining towns). There is still private health insurance in the system, it's just icing on the top of an existing medicare fund (which 50% of aussies have).

Jay, either way Australians pay less PER capita ($3400) compared to the USA now at $7100. So what if some cash has been taken out of the general fund? At least my tax dollars are better spent at improving healthcare affordability than wasting trillions on wars.

Btw, your sales tax in America is stupid, why don't they put it in the fucking price.

The government even props up the private insurance plans so keep them competitive and not price too many out of the private option.

The general fund doesn't need to go to shareholders, or can be used for research, hospitals, subsidies to medicines.

If you think health care is not a right then I really do think you lack a sense of humanity.

Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

The government even props up the private insurance plans so keep them competitive and not price too many out of the private option.

The general fund doesn't need to go to shareholders, or can be used for research, hospitals, subsidies to medicines.

If you think health care is not a right then I really do think you lack a sense of humanity.

And I think that if you feel you have a right to a doctors time simply because you possess a pulse then you are a slaver. Health care is no more a human right than internet access is. It's a luxury good.

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

It doesn't matter. They aren't your servant.

And no one views them as servants in any NHS system...

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

And no one views them as servants in any NHS system...

You make them your servant by compelling them to serve you. You have no intrinsic right to their time.

For the last time they can CHOOSE to go for a private practice. Australia is not a full NHS system, we still have private practitioners and private hospitals and medicare covers 75% of the bill, the rest is paid either out of pocket or via private health insurance.

Doctors here can also transfer patients too and they can refuse to treat them. Same as in the US. You're over thinking this shit like its slavery. That's like saying police officers are your servants because your tax dollars pays their salaries.

Jay wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

You make them your servant by compelling them to serve you. You have no intrinsic right to their time.

For the last time they can CHOOSE to go for a private practice. Australia is not a full NHS system, we still have private practitioners and private hospitals and medicare covers 75% of the bill, the rest is paid either out of pocket or via private health insurance.

Doctors here can also transfer patients too and they can refuse to treat them. Same as in the US. You're over thinking this shit like its slavery. That's like saying police officers are your servants because your tax dollars pays their salaries.

They are servants. Public servants. "To serve and protect"

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

And are you subjecting them to slavery? No.

No, because they grew up in the system and knew what they were getting into. Current practicing doctors in the US did not. Telling them 'Hey, you work for the government now'? Fuck no. Never. They didn't sign up for that.

As I said 20 times in this thread, you can still have a PRIVATE system on top of an NHS. Are there no public hospitals in the USA? I would highly doubt doctors are going to go into strikes because their paychecks switched from a private source to a public source.