I was referring to credible people. Not forum people.13urnzz wrote:
that universe doesn't include some who have posted in this thread . . .Macbeth wrote:
But yeah it's universally recognized that Joe was the #1 guy on the campus.
Nobody was crying or rioting over the the President being ousted...that is a bit of an indicator of the positions on the totem pole.
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Chardee MacDennis wrote:
bollocks. i do not know many people who would agree with you on that.Jay wrote:
He was the damn football coach. He didn't run anything but his program.
No, it's just an indication of their positions in public opinion.tuckergustav wrote:
Nobody was crying or rioting over the the President being ousted...that is a bit of an indicator of the positions on the totem pole.
Joe Paterno is a name that was recognized across the country prior to the scandal. The name of the president wasn't. Celebrities generate more buzz. It's why Kardashian makes money for selling her wedding video and I won't.
If they really wanted to push him out, they could've, they just would've had to deal with the PR hit.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
hmm, i take it you*re not talking about Sandusky, are you?Jay wrote:
If they really wanted to push him out, they could've, they just would've had to deal with the PR hit.
Thread is about Joe Paterno, no? Apparently he raped little boys.13urnzz wrote:
hmm, i take it you*re not talking about Sandusky, are you?Jay wrote:
If they really wanted to push him out, they could've, they just would've had to deal with the PR hit.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
it is about joe paterno, i just found it ironic that what you said could apply to sandusky also.Jay wrote:
Thread is about Joe Paterno, no? Apparently he raped little boys.13urnzz wrote:
hmm, i take it you*re not talking about Sandusky, are you?Jay wrote:
If they really wanted to push him out, they could've, they just would've had to deal with the PR hit.
sorry i forgot the "/irony" tags . . .
you are ignorant. allowing it to continue is just as bad. how can you argue that?Jay wrote:
Thread is about Joe Paterno, no? Apparently he raped little boys.
What is your Spaghetti Policy Here?
What A Long Strange Trip It's Been
What A Long Strange Trip It's Been
You're the ignorant one. Should he have reported it to the police? Yes. But he did at least pass it up the chain of command at his school, where it was squashed. Whether he recommended squashing it or not is irrelevant. They were his superiors and bore the ultimate responsibility for turning it over, they were just too cowardly to do so. You're dumping all the blame at a mans feet because a) you hate college football, b) recognize his name, and c) have a general aversion for, and hatred of, famous people. Get over your own problems marine and stop projecting them onto others.Chardee MacDennis wrote:
you are ignorant. allowing it to continue is just as bad. how can you argue that?Jay wrote:
Thread is about Joe Paterno, no? Apparently he raped little boys.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
thats one hell of a cop out on his part jay.
fuck youRTHKI wrote:
one more reason to get rid of old people
lolJay wrote:
You're the ignorant one. Should he have reported it to the police? Yes. But he did at least pass it up the chain of command at his school, where it was squashed. Whether he recommended squashing it or not is irrelevant. They were his superiors and bore the ultimate responsibility for turning it over, they were just too cowardly to do so. You're dumping all the blame at a mans feet because a) you hate college football, b) recognize his name, and c) have a general aversion for, and hatred of, famous people. Get over your own problems marine and stop projecting them onto others.Chardee MacDennis wrote:
you are ignorant. allowing it to continue is just as bad. how can you argue that?Jay wrote:
Thread is about Joe Paterno, no? Apparently he raped little boys.
he turned him in but allowed him to be on campus around these camps with young boys? wow. just fucking wow. i like how you are more angry at me versus someone who allowed his buddy access to play free butt darts.
What is your Spaghetti Policy Here?
What A Long Strange Trip It's Been
What A Long Strange Trip It's Been
your not old, your experienced.13urnzz wrote:
fuck youRTHKI wrote:
one more reason to get rid of old people
Seriously Jay. He had the "ultimate responsibility" once he witnessed it, not the school. While they should have also reported it to the police, him passing it along to them, for them to do nothing, wasn't enough on his part. Very far from it.
so much hate in this thread it's like DST
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
yes people do not like child molesters or enablers of child molestation. what a shock right?Brasso wrote:
so much hate in this thread it's like DST
What is your Spaghetti Policy Here?
What A Long Strange Trip It's Been
What A Long Strange Trip It's Been
He didn't witness anything. An assistant coach did and passed on the info to Paterno, who in turn passed it up to the school president.west-phoenix-az wrote:
Seriously Jay. He had the "ultimate responsibility" once he witnessed it, not the school. While they should have also reported it to the police, him passing it along to them, for them to do nothing, wasn't enough on his part. Very far from it.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
And no one passed it onto the police
if someone told you he saw a co-worker molesting a kid and you told your boss...would you allow that person around your kids? if you saw that person at a company picnic around a bunch of kids would you just ignore it? would you let him be around a school your kid was at?Jay wrote:
He didn't witness anything. An assistant coach did and passed on the info to Paterno, who in turn passed it up to the school president.west-phoenix-az wrote:
Seriously Jay. He had the "ultimate responsibility" once he witnessed it, not the school. While they should have also reported it to the police, him passing it along to them, for them to do nothing, wasn't enough on his part. Very far from it.
no...you sure as fuck would not and dont even say you would.
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What A Long Strange Trip It's Been
What A Long Strange Trip It's Been
an assistant reported another assistant. that's correct, as far as it goes.Jay wrote:
He didn't witness anything. An assistant coach did and passed on the info to Paterno, who in turn passed it up to the school president.west-phoenix-az wrote:
Seriously Jay. He had the "ultimate responsibility" once he witnessed it, not the school. While they should have also reported it to the police, him passing it along to them, for them to do nothing, wasn't enough on his part. Very far from it.
the head coach tells the AD, that's correct as far as it goes.
what you*re obtusely missing is - the legacy of Penn State, belongs to the head coach. the head coach was more worried about winning games with a pedo defensive coordinator than the welfare of some defenseless boys. if his defensive coordinator turns out to be a butt-raping psychopath, how does that reflect on his ability to choose his staff?
ok, so paterno was no mind reader. what he was, was in a position to stop sandusky's actions once for all, within the Penn State football program.
he didn't, because sandusky's worth as a defensive coordinator outweighed his heinous actions as a person. and that is what paterno cared about most.
this explanation from an alum makes a lot of sense to me
some of you think that paterno is somehow god, that he's above the law, and that if he said "arrest this man" it would have been done on the spot. how does that make any sense? yes, penn state loved joepa. yes his name is everywhere. IF there was an investigation he wouldn't have even been able to follow up on it because that's the nature of policework. no info given before a conclusion is reached.Badhugs wrote:
Why are we holding Paterno to a "moral" standard but not doing the same with the BOT?
While they legally had the ability to fire him amid the scandal, wouldn't the moral approach require waiting for the full truth to be uncovered and basing their decision on the facts once revealed? Relying on public opinion, as portrayed by the media, allowed the BOT to save face while in the spotlight. Again...totally legal. But questionably moral.
It also brings into question why Paterno's actions were seen as immoral in the first place. Imagine if he threw a fit the second McQueery mentioned something. Imagine a giant press conference, an instant vilification of Sandusky. There on every TV, in every paper and magazine, Paterno is blasting the horrors of what Sandusky has done. Then imagine the court finds out Sandusky was entirely innocent, and Paterno is being sued for slander and defamation. Would Paterno's actions have been so moral then?? Yet this is exactly what people wanted him to do.
"Sandusky isn't innocent!" you say. True enough. But we are only able to say this because we read the grand jury report and multiple victim testimonies. Paterno didn't have that luxury...yet people expected him to somehow come to the same conclusion. Had he been able to determine all this without any investigations, without victim reports, or any police help, he'd been better off staying in law than coaching. We might remember him as the best lawyer of all time - solving cases before they were even reported.
Paterno, for all his qualities, is not judge and jury, nor is he an all-knowing diety. It's absurd to expect him to have known beforehand what we only know now in hindsight.
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