Or are you under the impression that norways social services visit every single household and nitpick about inane shit like 2 to a bed and then cart off the kids because they have nothing better to do?
Even one kid being carted off based on someones opinion of parenting is too many. If parenting is that heavily regulated, the job might as well be done by the state. Cut out the middleman.jord wrote:
Or are you under the impression that norways social services visit every single household and nitpick about inane shit like 2 to a bed and then cart off the kids because they have nothing better to do?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It isn't someones opinion, norway isn't 5 century Sparta. Whilst I don't know the ins and outs of Norways system, i'm sure there's a strict critera in place to meet before children are ripped away from their parents which obviously this Indian family weren't adhearing to. I'm sure you're a supporter of the "go to x country, obey x countries laws" rationale.Jay wrote:
Even one kid being carted off based on someones opinion of parenting is too many. If parenting is that heavily regulated, the job might as well be done by the state. Cut out the middleman.jord wrote:
Or are you under the impression that norways social services visit every single household and nitpick about inane shit like 2 to a bed and then cart off the kids because they have nothing better to do?
If you crash into somebody at 30 and they die because they weren't wearing a seatbelt you will be done for death by dangerous driving? At the very least youll probably be traumatized over it. Its not like you can prove what injuries the other party would have sustained if they had been wearing a seatbelt.Jay wrote:
I am against seat belts, yes. Speed limits? No, you're impacting others. Same with drunk driving.
It's not about government being evil, it's about people like you having access to power. You'd force everyone to your will, against theirs. Government isn't evil, people like you are. You're a would-be dictator that thinks he knows the proper path in life for everyone else
Besides what a weird grip to have it must take all of 5 seconds to do and comes as 2nd nature as you shut your door :s
to op, I doubt the protection agency randomly turned up and took them, they would likely have had several warnings. Ultimately, you immigrate to a foreign country, you fail to live by their culturally and legally acceptable rules, you refuse to change your ways or leave, you deserve whatever is coming.
If an individual wants to live in another country then they must abide by the laws of the land they are in, not "well in my country its fine" because the obvious answer is piss off then.
After about page 2 i got bored of the "eat your greens" stuff...
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broccoli and seatbelts are nothing alike lol silly argument
Trailer trash prove you wrong.Jay wrote:
I don't give a fuck how many degrees they have, unless they can prove gross negligence or incest, they can fuck off. There is no right way to raise kids. It's not something you can learn in a book. Every situation is unique. So yes, fuck your nanny state.Jenspm wrote:
Nanny state? It's a group put in to protect our children from abuse/poor parenting - it is something that's extremely important, as it is an issue that's often quite hidden and can have grave consequences for the children that will stick with them for the rest of their lives.
RE: story - do you really think they've gone in and said "Oh, you sleep with your child and fuck bro, where's your fork?" Jesus Christ, this is a heavily funded organisation with top experts in child welfare who don't exactly take away children for fun. All cases are heavily investigated, and things like this will hardly be the only reason for taking the children away. Even the parents' lawyer has confirmed this.
There are so many other parts to this story - including malnutrition, violence and poor hygiene - and these are just things that their own lawyer is willing to admit to. The rest (and he confirms there are other points) is classified until the case is concluded.
But I guess those points don't sell newspapers.
Fuck Israel
That only makes me more inclined to believe that this is a beatup given what I know about the Indian media tbh.Jay wrote:
Actually, it was an Indian newspaper.jord wrote:
Jay you're smarter than this. It's obviously a headline designed to sell papers like every other headline in history. "Look at those liberal pussies across the Atlantic are doing, nanny state we don't want this hurr durr". The headline isn't going to say "Malnutrition, hygeine issues and 2 IN 1 BED"!Jay wrote:
I don't give a fuck how many degrees they have, unless they can prove gross negligence or incest, they can fuck off. There is no right way to raise kids. It's not something you can learn in a book. Every situation is unique. So yes, fuck your nanny state.
Come on.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
You're saying that in light of some issues that occurred here about 6 months ago, yeah?Spark wrote:
That only makes me more inclined to believe that this is a beatup given what I know about the Indian media tbh.Jay wrote:
Actually, it was an Indian newspaper.jord wrote:
Jay you're smarter than this. It's obviously a headline designed to sell papers like every other headline in history. "Look at those liberal pussies across the Atlantic are doing, nanny state we don't want this hurr durr". The headline isn't going to say "Malnutrition, hygeine issues and 2 IN 1 BED"!
Come on.
That's certainly contributed, but they're just generally truly, truly dire, and most sensible Indians I talk to agree.Jaekus wrote:
You're saying that in light of some issues that occurred here about 6 months ago, yeah?Spark wrote:
That only makes me more inclined to believe that this is a beatup given what I know about the Indian media tbh.Jay wrote:
Actually, it was an Indian newspaper.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
No doubt the reactions would be non-existent in India if they were from a lower caste..
Nice deflection.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
All that has surfaced so far is the parents side of the story.
Enough said for the time being!
As a sidenote ... what jenspm mentioned is highly relevant to how this case is being treated and what attention it gets in India.
Enough said for the time being!
As a sidenote ... what jenspm mentioned is highly relevant to how this case is being treated and what attention it gets in India.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
No, it's a deflection. Why it's popular is irrelevant.Varegg wrote:
All that has surfaced so far is the parents side of the story.
Enough said for the time being!
As a sidenote ... what jenspm mentioned is highly relevant to how this case is being treated and what attention it gets in India.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
..but it helps explain the hugely distorted media coverage. It's not a popular case because it's unjust, but because top-caste families have massive influence on Indian media and this one has essentially used that to create a massive media 'thing' to put pressure on the Norwegian government.
As relatively intelligent individuals from relatively free countries, we should do better than just accept this, copy/paste it into a thread and slap on a sarcastic title.
As relatively intelligent individuals from relatively free countries, we should do better than just accept this, copy/paste it into a thread and slap on a sarcastic title.
Out of curiosity, what happened in Australia that you're referring to?Jaekus wrote:
You're saying that in light of some issues that occurred here about 6 months ago, yeah?Spark wrote:
That only makes me more inclined to believe that this is a beatup given what I know about the Indian media tbh.Jay wrote:
Actually, it was an Indian newspaper.
This is true. Despite outlawing the caste system officially, India still operates very much with one in place.Jenspm wrote:
..but it helps explain the hugely distorted media coverage. It's not a popular case because it's unjust, but because top-caste families have massive influence on Indian media and this one has essentially used that to create a massive media 'thing' to put pressure on the Norwegian government.
As relatively intelligent individuals from relatively free countries, we should do better than just accept this, copy/paste it into a thread and slap on a sarcastic title.
It's kind of similar in Japan. It's not often talked about, but they have a caste system of their own which influences media there.
One of my ex's lived in India until she was 10. She still would go back every so often. According to her the caste system doesn't mean anything anymore and $$$ is the thing that matters.
It's most prevalent in rural areas. In urban areas, it's less pronounced, but people descended from the higher castes still have a lot more connections than most.Macbeth wrote:
One of my ex's lived in India until she was 10. She still would go back every so often. According to her the caste system doesn't mean anything anymore and $$$ is the thing that matters.
Also, there is a strong correlation between higher castes and wealth.
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higher caste usually has a lot of moeny in the first place so... lol. its like no one cares about royalty anymore, but its all about money. who do you think also has a ton of cash =.=Turquoise wrote:
It's most prevalent in rural areas. In urban areas, it's less pronounced, but people descended from the higher castes still have a lot more connections than most.Macbeth wrote:
One of my ex's lived in India until she was 10. She still would go back every so often. According to her the caste system doesn't mean anything anymore and $$$ is the thing that matters.
Also, there is a strong correlation between higher castes and wealth.
I'm just saying that I would take any media source from India with a grain or maybe a bucket of salt.Cybargs wrote:
higher caste usually has a lot of moeny in the first place so... lol. its like no one cares about royalty anymore, but its all about money. who do you think also has a ton of cash =.=Turquoise wrote:
It's most prevalent in rural areas. In urban areas, it's less pronounced, but people descended from the higher castes still have a lot more connections than most.Macbeth wrote:
One of my ex's lived in India until she was 10. She still would go back every so often. According to her the caste system doesn't mean anything anymore and $$$ is the thing that matters.
Also, there is a strong correlation between higher castes and wealth.
Nice derail by the Norwegians
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
ROSS
From Fife, great king,
Where the Norweyan banners flout the sky
And fan our people cold.
Norway himself, with terrible numbers,
Assisted by that most disloyal traitor,
The thane of Cawdor, began a dismal conflict,
Till that Bellona’s bridegroom, lapped in proof,
Confronted him with self-comparisons,
Point against point, rebellious arm 'gainst arm,
Curbing his lavish spirit; and to conclude,
The victory fell on us.
DUNCAN
Great happiness!
ROSS
That now
Sweno, the Norways' king, craves composition.
Nor would we deign him burial of his men
Till he disbursed at Saint Colme’s Inch
Ten thousand dollars to our general use.
From Fife, great king,
Where the Norweyan banners flout the sky
And fan our people cold.
Norway himself, with terrible numbers,
Assisted by that most disloyal traitor,
The thane of Cawdor, began a dismal conflict,
Till that Bellona’s bridegroom, lapped in proof,
Confronted him with self-comparisons,
Point against point, rebellious arm 'gainst arm,
Curbing his lavish spirit; and to conclude,
The victory fell on us.
DUNCAN
Great happiness!
ROSS
That now
Sweno, the Norways' king, craves composition.
Nor would we deign him burial of his men
Till he disbursed at Saint Colme’s Inch
Ten thousand dollars to our general use.
I had to play the role of Seyton. Had like two lines.
Hail Seyton
Where do you have this from? Everything I have seen and read by Indian authors/journalists have suggested that the caste system is still extremely embedded into the Indian society - especially in rural areas, as Turq said, but also in larger cities.Cybargs wrote:
higher caste usually has a lot of moeny in the first place so... lol. its like no one cares about royalty anymore, but its all about money. who do you think also has a ton of cash =.=Turquoise wrote:
It's most prevalent in rural areas. In urban areas, it's less pronounced, but people descended from the higher castes still have a lot more connections than most.Macbeth wrote:
One of my ex's lived in India until she was 10. She still would go back every so often. According to her the caste system doesn't mean anything anymore and $$$ is the thing that matters.
Also, there is a strong correlation between higher castes and wealth.
Yes, there are now laws against caste-discrimination. Yes, money is important, and corruption is a major issue. But are you sure the idea of castes, blood and family are not still important in India?
I'm sorry, but I've never heard anyone seriously claim that no-one in India cares about castes anymore.