Hitler was an Iron Cross holder. Who knows.cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
saddam, hands downPubic wrote:
Who would win, in a fist fight between Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein?
Saddam was a bad ass thug in the day
In the First World War, approximately four million Iron Crosses of the lower grade (2nd Class) were issued, as well as around 145,000 of the higher grade (1st Class).[4] Exact numbers of awards are not known, since the Prussian archives were destroyed during the Second World War. The multitude of awards reduced the status and reputation of the decoration. Among the holders of the 1914 Iron Cross 2nd Class and 1st Class was Adolf Hitler, who held the rank of Gefreiter. Hitler can be seen wearing the award on his left breast, as was standard, in many photographs.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Hitler was an Iron Cross holder. Who knows.cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
saddam, hands downPubic wrote:
Who would win, in a fist fight between Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein?
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/facepalmJay wrote:
Correct. Napoleon took Moscow and his army starved.AussieReaper wrote:
Had Hitler captured Moscow or even Stalingrad it would have been a Pyrric victory.
You can't hold a city without securing any supplies before hand.
back to school. both of you.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
they didn't learn the first time, and now they're set in their ways . . .Shahter wrote:
/facepalmJay wrote:
Correct. Napoleon took Moscow and his army starved.AussieReaper wrote:
Had Hitler captured Moscow or even Stalingrad it would have been a Pyrric victory.
You can't hold a city without securing any supplies before hand.
back to school. both of you.
Thank you, wikipedia. The Iron Cross 1st Class was also rarely awarded to lower ranks.eleven bravo wrote:
In the First World War, approximately four million Iron Crosses of the lower grade (2nd Class) were issued, as well as around 145,000 of the higher grade (1st Class).[4] Exact numbers of awards are not known, since the Prussian archives were destroyed during the Second World War. The multitude of awards reduced the status and reputation of the decoration. Among the holders of the 1914 Iron Cross 2nd Class and 1st Class was Adolf Hitler, who held the rank of Gefreiter. Hitler can be seen wearing the award on his left breast, as was standard, in many photographs.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Hitler was an Iron Cross holder. Who knows.cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
saddam, hands down
If Iran launched a shock & awe style surprise attack, how much of the oil infrastructure in the region could the destroy before being stopped?
He didn't win the Blue Max so Hitler was a loser.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Thank you, wikipedia. The Iron Cross 1st Class was also rarely awarded to lower ranks.eleven bravo wrote:
In the First World War, approximately four million Iron Crosses of the lower grade (2nd Class) were issued, as well as around 145,000 of the higher grade (1st Class).[4] Exact numbers of awards are not known, since the Prussian archives were destroyed during the Second World War. The multitude of awards reduced the status and reputation of the decoration. Among the holders of the 1914 Iron Cross 2nd Class and 1st Class was Adolf Hitler, who held the rank of Gefreiter. Hitler can be seen wearing the award on his left breast, as was standard, in many photographs.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Hitler was an Iron Cross holder. Who knows.
Then again, neither did Saddam.
@shahter - you think had Stalingrad been taken Paulus would've advanced any further?
Of course not. The German army was well outstretched beyond it's means by that stage anyway.
the point of that operation wasn't in taking stalingrad, and most certainly not in "advancing further".AussieReaper wrote:
@shahter - you think had Stalingrad been taken Paulus would've advanced any further?
back to school, i say.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Easy to answer: Iran couldn't launch a "shock & awe style attack." They don't have the air force capabilities to do it.Pubic wrote:
If Iran launched a shock & awe style surprise attack, how much of the oil infrastructure in the region could the destroy before being stopped?
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I was just pointing out that capturing a city does not mean you win. Moscow was captured, and burned, by Napoleon and Russia didn't collapse or surrender. It was actually his undoing as he ended up deep in a hostile nation without any food with winter setting in.Shahter wrote:
/facepalmJay wrote:
Correct. Napoleon took Moscow and his army starved.AussieReaper wrote:
Had Hitler captured Moscow or even Stalingrad it would have been a Pyrric victory.
You can't hold a city without securing any supplies before hand.
back to school. both of you.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Napoleon lost the majority of his troops on the way to Moscow in the fall. It was already burnt by the time he got there.
they'd run and hide until they ran out of fuel and crashed, then bayonet charge the remaining pilotsMekstizzle wrote:
Let me put my armchair computer general hat on-Sh1fty- wrote:
Put the 100 Marines in AH1Zs, problem solvedeleven bravo wrote:
i doubt it. 100000 is a lot of people. minie balls werent spitballs and cannons were pretty powerful. i bet a cannon ball could damge a tank pretty well and probably disable a bradley
They'd run out of ammo and fuel pretty quickly and 100,000 is an insane amount of people, assuming the ancient Brits don't all run away/surrender at the sight of seeing hovering death machines and actually tough it out. Which, according to Jord, they would never even think of doing.
Perhaps I could have phrased that better.FEOS wrote:
Easy to answer: Iran couldn't launch a "shock & awe style attack." They don't have the air force capabilities to do it.
"If Iran threw everything they had at oil infrastructure in the region, aall at once, how much of said oil infrastructure could they destroy before being stopped? Just how badly could they cripple the flow of oil from the middle east?"
I'm thinking planes & missiles hitting refineries, subs/boats hitting ports which handle oil/fuel, dudes with RPGs shooting at pipelines, that sort of thing, but with a strategy/goal behind it.
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shock and awe against an iraqi military crippled by 10 years worth of sanctions. tanks were towed to the battlefield.
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Iran managed to fuck up the US occupation of Iraq pretty effectively.Pubic wrote:
Perhaps I could have phrased that better.FEOS wrote:
Easy to answer: Iran couldn't launch a "shock & awe style attack." They don't have the air force capabilities to do it.
"If Iran threw everything they had at oil infrastructure in the region, aall at once, how much of said oil infrastructure could they destroy before being stopped? Just how badly could they cripple the flow of oil from the middle east?"
I'm thinking planes & missiles hitting refineries, subs/boats hitting ports which handle oil/fuel, dudes with RPGs shooting at pipelines, that sort of thing, but with a strategy/goal behind it.
Fuck Israel
yeah they probably could fuck over transport, not with overt attacks though.Dilbert_X wrote:
Iran managed to fuck up the US occupation of Iraq pretty effectively.Pubic wrote:
Perhaps I could have phrased that better.FEOS wrote:
Easy to answer: Iran couldn't launch a "shock & awe style attack." They don't have the air force capabilities to do it.
"If Iran threw everything they had at oil infrastructure in the region, aall at once, how much of said oil infrastructure could they destroy before being stopped? Just how badly could they cripple the flow of oil from the middle east?"
I'm thinking planes & missiles hitting refineries, subs/boats hitting ports which handle oil/fuel, dudes with RPGs shooting at pipelines, that sort of thing, but with a strategy/goal behind it.
sure they can
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Not really. Minor irritant for a year or two.Dilbert_X wrote:
Iran managed to fuck up the US occupation of Iraq pretty effectively.Pubic wrote:
Perhaps I could have phrased that better.FEOS wrote:
Easy to answer: Iran couldn't launch a "shock & awe style attack." They don't have the air force capabilities to do it.
"If Iran threw everything they had at oil infrastructure in the region, aall at once, how much of said oil infrastructure could they destroy before being stopped? Just how badly could they cripple the flow of oil from the middle east?"
I'm thinking planes & missiles hitting refineries, subs/boats hitting ports which handle oil/fuel, dudes with RPGs shooting at pipelines, that sort of thing, but with a strategy/goal behind it.
Good to know it was just the US there, too. We'll have to tell all the Coalition troops who were killed and wounded that it didn't really happen.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
no sir you are wrong. iran was a major force behind a signficant number of the insurgency
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inb4 a million links from feos that doesnt come close to actually hearing farsi being spoken on the streets of sadr city.
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Planes? They can fly them in formation for parades, then they're down for maintenance for weeks at a time. I doubt they're able to do much from a combat perspective.Pubic wrote:
Perhaps I could have phrased that better.FEOS wrote:
Easy to answer: Iran couldn't launch a "shock & awe style attack." They don't have the air force capabilities to do it.
"If Iran threw everything they had at oil infrastructure in the region, aall at once, how much of said oil infrastructure could they destroy before being stopped? Just how badly could they cripple the flow of oil from the middle east?"
I'm thinking planes & missiles hitting refineries, subs/boats hitting ports which handle oil/fuel, dudes with RPGs shooting at pipelines, that sort of thing, but with a strategy/goal behind it.
Missiles? They would be lucky to hit a target the size of a refinery. Their missiles are not very accurate. But I guess if you have a nuke or chem/bio warhead, that's close enough.
Subs and boats? Mostly boats. They could wreak havoc in the Straits of Hormuz.
Dudes with RPGs? They tried that. In Iraq. Didn't work out too well.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
And I didn't say anything different. Read more carefully and leave your snide bullshit nonsense comments at the fucking door.eleven bravo wrote:
no sir you are wrong. iran was a major force behind a signficant number of the insurgency
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
lol snide. someone seems hurt.
let me sound like you for a second
"its like the pot calling the kettle black"
tell me, how much time have you spent outside the wire inside iraq?
let me sound like you for a second
"its like the pot calling the kettle black"
tell me, how much time have you spent outside the wire inside iraq?
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