If the US decided to fight Iran, would Iran's military have a chance?

2012-01-21 00:15:32

#176

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5728|Ventura, California

eleven bravo wrote:
Pubic wrote:
jord wrote:
but would 100 000 war of independence era british soldiers beat 100 modern us marines?
Put the 100 marines in tanks/bradleys & they could almost do it without firing a shot, just drive right through them.
i doubt it. 100000 is a lot of people. minie balls werent spitballs and cannons were pretty powerful. i bet a cannon ball could damge a tank pretty well and probably disable a bradley

Put the 100 Marines in AH1Zs, problem solved

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2012-01-21 00:27:43

#177

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6971

logistics will kill them all. they cant live off the land or eat the food, theyd get really fucking sick really quick

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2012-01-21 00:41:11

#178

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5728|Ventura, California

That's something I never understood was the sheer amount of logistics that went into massive invasion in ancient times where they would have thousands upon thousands of men in one battle. They must have had several mobile farms just to get the guys their daily dose of protein. I can't imagine how much water they'd all consume.

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2012-01-21 00:54:05

#179

Fallschirmjager10: Member; +36|6715

eleven bravo wrote:
Fallschirmjager10 wrote:
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2012-01-21 00:55:32

#180

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5433|Sydney

I think if Santa Claus came along with a few nukes he'd win, coz he's basically immortal and nothing can catch those reindeers.

2012-01-21 03:28:32

#181

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6360|eXtreme to the maX

Jaekus wrote:
I think if Santa Claus came along with a few nukes he'd win, coz he's basically immortal and nothing can catch those reindeers.

Yeah but Iran would just attack when Santa is tied up building presents with the elves.

Fuck Israel

2012-01-21 07:49:16

#182

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6254|...

-Sh1fty- wrote:
That's something I never understood was the sheer amount of logistics that went into massive invasion in ancient times where they would have thousands upon thousands of men in one battle. They must have had several mobile farms just to get the guys their daily dose of protein. I can't imagine how much water they'd all consume.

Armies moved along the coast with fleets bringing their supplies.

That & plundering the land.

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2012-01-21 09:22:55

#183

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6971

Shocking wrote:
-Sh1fty- wrote:
That's something I never understood was the sheer amount of logistics that went into massive invasion in ancient times where they would have thousands upon thousands of men in one battle. They must have had several mobile farms just to get the guys their daily dose of protein. I can't imagine how much water they'd all consume.
Armies moved along the coast with fleets bringing their supplies.

That & plundering the land.

2012-01-21 13:15:55

#184

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6665|'Murka

Cybargs wrote:
Shocking wrote:
-Sh1fty- wrote:
That's something I never understood was the sheer amount of logistics that went into massive invasion in ancient times where they would have thousands upon thousands of men in one battle. They must have had several mobile farms just to get the guys their daily dose of protein. I can't imagine how much water they'd all consume.
Armies moved along the coast with fleets bringing their supplies.

That & plundering the land.

Reading history texts ftw.

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2012-01-21 14:17:10

#185

RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|6969|US

FEOS wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
Shocking wrote:

Armies moved along the coast with fleets bringing their supplies.

That & plundering the land.
Reading history texts ftw.

Also why Russia's "scorched earth" policy worked so well against Napoleon...

Logistics is often the overlooked key to winning a campaign. The German military made its best officers combat leaders, and the average and sub-par officers often wound up in places like logistics. That wound up producing HIGHLY effective combat units that had more and more supply problems as they continued to advance though the USSR. (Making enemies of most of the locals through brutal racial policies sure didn't help!)

2012-01-21 14:28:48

#186

RTHKI: mmmf mmmf mmmf; +1,741|6992|Cinncinatti

mobile farms

ancient civilizations

wut

2012-01-21 18:49:03

#187

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5433|Sydney

Dilbert_X wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
I think if Santa Claus came along with a few nukes he'd win, coz he's basically immortal and nothing can catch those reindeers.
Yeah but Iran would just attack when Santa is tied up building presents with the elves.

Well you could enlist help from the Easter Bunny, he's pretty stealthy too.

2012-01-21 18:52:05

#188

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5514|foggy bottom

lotrs of common knowledge itt

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2012-01-22 00:06:19

#189

Trotskygrad: бля; +354|6254|Vortex Ring State

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logistics was also why the US Army did so well in WWII, amirite

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2012-01-22 03:13:12

#190

RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|6969|US

Trotskygrad wrote:
logistics was also why the US Army did so well in WWII, amirite

Yes. Man for man, the German military was arguably better, but the American production and logistics capabilities helped seal the deal in Western Europe, North Africa, Italy, and the Pacific. For example, we landed in North Africa with ships from the east coast of the US.

2012-01-22 04:18:02

#191

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6254|...

RAIMIUS wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Cybargs wrote:

Reading history texts ftw.
Also why Russia's "scorched earth" policy worked so well against Napoleon...

Logistics is often the overlooked key to winning a campaign. The German military made its best officers combat leaders, and the average and sub-par officers often wound up in places like logistics. That wound up producing HIGHLY effective combat units that had more and more supply problems as they continued to advance though the USSR. (Making enemies of most of the locals through brutal racial policies sure didn't help!)

I'd say the best example would be Hannibal's 15 year stint in Italy with the Romans burning crops and blocking off the sea (incidentally the first time ever that the scorched earth tactic was applied).

If it were up to the combat leaders in the German army they would've gone straight to Moscow rather than taking a detour for Ukranian grain (yay hitler). That would've been the end of it. Even if they were to place their best in logistics it still would've been impossible to overcome the Russian winter.

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2012-01-22 11:54:39

#192

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6407|what

Had Hitler captured Moscow or even Stalingrad it would have been a Pyrric victory.

You can't hold a city without securing any supplies before hand.

2012-01-22 15:07:15

#193

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5613|London, England

AussieReaper wrote:
Had Hitler captured Moscow or even Stalingrad it would have been a Pyrric victory.

You can't hold a city without securing any supplies before hand.

Correct. Napoleon took Moscow and his army starved.

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2012-01-22 17:32:14

#194

cl4u53w1t2: Salon-Bolschewist; +269|6727|Kakanien

on a side note:

the onset of winter in november 1941 made it possible for the german army to resume its offensive towards moscow (because the russian roads became accessible by vehicle again)

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2012-01-22 17:42:19

#195

BVC: Member; +325|6950

Who would win, in a fist fight between Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein?

2012-01-22 17:46:46

#196

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5840

Napoleon lost most of his troops on the way to Moscow in the fall. His supplies lines were messed up from the start.

2012-01-22 17:49:19

#197

cl4u53w1t2: Salon-Bolschewist; +269|6727|Kakanien

Pubic wrote:
Who would win, in a fist fight between Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein?

saddam, hands down

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2012-01-22 18:01:19

#198

cl4u53w1t2: Salon-Bolschewist; +269|6727|Kakanien

Macbeth wrote:
Napoleon lost most of his troops on the way to Moscow in the fall. His supplies lines were messed up from the start.

the german army had the highest losses in the summer (not winter) of 1941 (because of bitter fighting, not because of unsufficient supply). the same extent of losses was not attained until the winter of 42/43 (stalingrad)

btw, the turning point of the german-soviet war was either the 22nd of june 1941 or the soviet counterattack in front of moscow in december 1941

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2oh3h3DvY0

2012-01-23 09:39:12

#199

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6876|London, England

-Sh1fty- wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
Pubic wrote:
Put the 100 marines in tanks/bradleys & they could almost do it without firing a shot, just drive right through them.
i doubt it. 100000 is a lot of people. minie balls werent spitballs and cannons were pretty powerful. i bet a cannon ball could damge a tank pretty well and probably disable a bradley
Put the 100 Marines in AH1Zs, problem solved

Let me put my armchair computer general hat on

They'd run out of ammo and fuel pretty quickly and 100,000 is an insane amount of people, assuming the ancient Brits don't all run away/surrender at the sight of seeing hovering death machines and actually tough it out. Which, according to Jord, they would never even think of doing.

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2012-01-23 16:32:49

#200

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