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2012-01-08 22:00:26
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6854|132 and Bush

Spearhead wrote:

P.S.  were he just an average football player, his faith would not be taken nearly as seriously by the media
..and then there's the claim that he is just an average player and the attention that follows him is because of his faith.

I'm not sure if I believe Tebow really thinks god favors a team during a football game. I know he has thanked God after losses as well. Perhaps for not getting injured. Injury favors the non-believers I believe.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2012-01-08 22:01:14
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5954|College Park, MD
i can envision shifty Tebowing on the frontlines
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2012-01-08 22:21:51
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6943|Tampa Bay Florida

FEOS wrote:

Or is it just your interpretation of his actions?
I guess it is.  Praying during a game based on skill/luck/athletic ability, to me seems the same as praying at the poker table or slot machine. 

I was explaining why he's an easy target.  Said nothing about his right to pray or to be a Christian.

--Feos, explain to me, why else would he pray during a game if he believed it did not have anything to do with the game itself?  Does he randomly kneel at breakfast joints to pray while he's having a coffee?

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2012-01-08 22:40:23
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6854|132 and Bush

Praying to be his best? Praying to not lose his head (literally and figuratively)? Christians pray all the time during times of struggle. Also, a lot of times players will get together, from opposing teams, and have a moment of prayer. This certainly did not begin with Tebow.
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Xbone Stormsurgezz
2012-01-08 23:00:56
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5431|Sydney
To be honest, as someone who quietly is opposed to religion, I would find it very easy to ridicule someone who makes their faith so showy and overt like that if I was as outspoken as his detractors.
2012-01-08 23:15:09
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6943|Tampa Bay Florida

Kmar wrote:

Praying to be his best? Praying to not lose his head (literally and figuratively)? Christians pray all the time during times of struggle. Also, a lot of times players will get together, from opposing teams, and have a moment of prayer. This certainly did not begin with Tebow.
I think he is easier to make fun of because he has achieved a quasi-celebrity status for the religious establishment.  He's talented and great at football, he's religious and was homeschooled...  that combined with his off-field personality/personal views and then he becomes something more political.  His super bowl ad about abortion, saving himself for marriage, etc.  There is an element of religious snobbery attributed to him by some. Whether he deserves it or not, I really dont care, I used to be into football but not anymore.  Just pointing out what I see.
2012-01-08 23:17:26
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6943|Tampa Bay Florida
Also, kneeling during sports is seen as sign of respect.  Not necessarily religious. 

Tebow, on the other hand, has pushed his faith out front and center.  Making him an easy target
2012-01-08 23:31:57
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6854|132 and Bush

The images I posted are called "prayer circles". There is no hiding what they are doing.. Tebow is certainly an easy target for anyone with some sort of religious angst. I don't personally have anything against it, so I don't really have an urge to make fun of him. He has a close connection with his faith (big deal). If he's not violating any rules I simply say let the man live his life.

I'm more impressed with his ability to win than his Tebowing. I have no doubt that if we completely removed the religious aspect we'd still be talking about him. Now, having said that, I think there is a large group of not-really-football-fans bringing his religion to the forefront. Championing his faith as a reason for his success. That isn't necessarily something to hold against Tebow though.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2012-01-08 23:54:34
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6943|Tampa Bay Florida

Kmar wrote:

The images I posted are called "prayer circles". There is no hiding what they are doing.. Tebow is certainly an easy target for anyone with some sort of religious angst. I don't personally have anything against it, so I don't really have an urge to make fun of him. He has a close connection with his faith (big deal). If he's not violating any rules I simply say let the man live his life.

I'm more impressed with his ability to win than his Tebowing. I have no doubt that if we completely removed the religious aspect we'd still be talking about him. Now, having said that, I think there is a large group of not-really-football-fans bringing his religion to the forefront. Championing his faith as a reason for his success. That isn't necessarily something to hold against Tebow though.
Well that's what all the "controversy" is about : the image that championing his faith is the the reason for his success (which is circumstantial, and subjective).  Then the pro-life, pro-saving yourself for marriage crowd gets involved.  And by association, then the anti-homosexuals.  Thats why hes a big deal.

"Simply let the man live his life".  I agree completely.  However, in the world of athlete/celebrity/sports worship, everything and anything seems to be fair game.

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2012-01-09 00:10:48
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7027|Noizyland

I have the opinion that people who believe that God has a stake in whether or not they perform on a sports field are being incredibly arrogant. I know it's not intended this way, if you believe that there is an all-powerful omnipotent being it makes sense that it could actually give two shits one-way or the other of the result of a sporting game or how well one athlete performs - even though there's no discernible reason it would. But to attribute a play or a score on "the omnipotent being in the sky willed this to happent" seems just... well like I said, arrogant - and quite disrespectful to your opponent as well.

No more ridiculous than the general concept of religion really but definitely dumb in its own way.

As to Tebow, I don't know much about him. A decent footballer who wears his religion on his sleeve, (or face,) which seems a bit... odd. I haven't encountered such blatant in-your-face religious expression in NZ and yeah, I have my opinion of it - I think it's stupid and arrogant. But at the end of the day it's what he wants to do, he doesn't seem to mind the repercussions and it's not really harming anyone so my opinion be damned.

Hell, we have our own seemingly silly sporting traditions here in NZ that could be considered in exactly the same way.
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2012-01-09 01:26:09
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5431|Sydney
To be fair, the Haka has cultural relevance that represents the nation of New Zealand as a whole. Religion, on the other hand, segregates; it does not bring a nation together.
2012-01-09 05:11:11
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5611|London, England

Kmar wrote:

The images I posted are called "prayer circles". There is no hiding what they are doing.. Tebow is certainly an easy target for anyone with some sort of religious angst. I don't personally have anything against it, so I don't really have an urge to make fun of him. He has a close connection with his faith (big deal). If he's not violating any rules I simply say let the man live his life.

I'm more impressed with his ability to win than his Tebowing. I have no doubt that if we completely removed the religious aspect we'd still be talking about him. Now, having said that, I think there is a large group of not-really-football-fans bringing his religion to the forefront. Championing his faith as a reason for his success. That isn't necessarily something to hold against Tebow though.
Well, that's precisely why there's so much backlash.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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2012-01-09 05:11:53
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6664|'Murka

Read the last sentence of Kmar's post.
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2012-01-09 05:13:28
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5611|London, England

FEOS wrote:

Read the last sentence of Kmar's post.
If it bothers him, he should tell the evangelicals to stop using him as their symbol. Until then? Fair game. Fuck 'em.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-09 05:15:38
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6664|'Murka

You know, I watched the game yesterday. Whole thing. Not a single evangelical ran on the field. Not a single bible got thrown on the field. No more "John 3:16" signs than normal.

Where's this massive outpouring of evangelicals associated with Tebow and his playing football?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2012-01-09 05:16:06
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5611|London, England

FEOS wrote:

You know, I watched the game yesterday. Whole thing. Not a single evangelical ran on the field. Not a single bible got thrown on the field. No more "John 3:16" signs than normal.

Where's this massive outpouring of evangelicals associated with Tebow and his playing football?
Facebook.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-09 05:17:27
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6664|'Murka

Jay wrote:

FEOS wrote:

You know, I watched the game yesterday. Whole thing. Not a single evangelical ran on the field. Not a single bible got thrown on the field. No more "John 3:16" signs than normal.

Where's this massive outpouring of evangelicals associated with Tebow and his playing football?
Facebook.
Which means the square root of fuckall when it comes to professional football.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2012-01-09 05:20:30
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5611|London, England
You haven't been reading peoples posts. People who don't give a crap about football are coming out of the woodwork to cheer him on because he's a fellow Evangelical. Preachers use the guy in his sermon as an example of righteousness. Some people actually believe his showy prayer led to the Broncos six game win streak and playoff win. It's grating.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-09 05:25:24
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6664|'Murka

It's Facebook.

If they're not on your friends list, you'd never know it (like me, for example). And I've got some pretty religious friends--one is a Baptist preacher. Tebow rarely, if ever gets mentioned. And then only for his football skills. Recently got mentioned for the reason we're discussing here: why does he get shat on simply because he's overtly religious? None of the religious people hold him up or have become Tebow fans simply because of his religiousity.

Bronco fans are annoying in general, so I wouldn't worry about the whole six game winning streak thing. What did they say about the three game losing streak?

Facebook doesn't bleed over onto the field or into the game, except as far as the commentators allow it to, which should be nil--it's meaningless. If it bothers you that bad, ignore the posts or defriend them, ffs.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2012-01-09 05:36:01
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5611|London, England
It's not just facebook, he gets outsized coverage on ESPN too because he's a fan draw due to his beliefs.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-09 06:17:38
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6664|'Murka

How is that his fault? Why is that reason to make fun of him and not the fans who are acting out?

This is what I don't get.

I suppose I understand ESPN feeding the beast, but I figured people here would be bright enough to make the distinction...
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2012-01-09 06:22:37
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5611|London, England
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-09 06:28:10
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5611|London, England
No one cares about him on a personal level, feos, he's just a symbol. You're taking a lowigesque stance here.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-09 06:35:06
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6664|'Murka

No, I'm not.

I think the people who are going after him rather than the evangelicals who are their actual target are.

People are saying, "Those evangelicals are nuts for thinking God is working through Tebow--let's make fun of Tebow because the evangelicals have crazy ideas instead of making fun of the evangelicals for having crazy ideas! Yeah! That'll show those evangelicals!"
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2012-01-09 06:59:29
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6750

Jay wrote:

No one cares about him on a personal level, feos, he's just a symbol. You're taking a lowigesque stance here.
would it be ironic if i said "Those goddam broncos won again" ?

fuckers.

 

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