Uzique
dasein.
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i'm the first to slam rip threads for stupid celebrities or nobodies, but the hitch! has just passed away after a long battle with cancer.

the world has lost a serious wordsmith and a great public speaker.

regardless of his religious polemics and his late life conversion to neo-con politics, this guy was always one worth reading/listening to just for the sheer joy of it.

cya hitch

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Uzique
dasein.
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here's the guardian's pick of his bot mots:

"The four most overrated things in life are champagne, lobster, anal sex and picnics." – the New Yorker, 2006

"[George W Bush] is lucky to be governor of Texas. He is unusually incurious, abnormally unintelligent, amazingly inarticulate, fantastically uncultured, extraordinarily uneducated, and apparently quite proud of all these things." – Hardball with Chris Matthews, NBC, 2000

"'Bombing Afghanistan back into the Stone Age' was quite a favourite headline for some wobbly liberals. The slogan does all the work. But an instant's thought shows that Afghanistan is being, if anything, bombed OUT of the Stone Age." – Daily Mirror, November 2001

"The noble title of 'dissident' must be earned rather than claimed; it connotes sacrifice and risk rather than mere disagreement …"

"Do bear in mind that the cynics have a point, of a sort, when they speak of the 'professional naysayer'." "To be in opposition is not to be a nihilist. And there is no decent or charted way of making a living at it. It is something you are, and not something you do." – Letters to a Young Contrarian, 2001

"[Mother Teresa] was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction." – Slate, October 2003

"The search for nirvana, like the search for utopia or the end of history or the classless society, is ultimately a futile and dangerous one. It involves, if it does not necessitate, the sleep of reason. There is no escape from anxiety and struggle." – Love, Poverty, and War: Journeys and Essays, 2004

"Those who had alleged that a million civilians were dying from sanctions were willing, nay eager, to keep those same murderous sanctions if it meant preserving Saddam!" – The Weekly Standard, May 2005.

"The Bible may, indeed does, contain a warrant for trafficking in humans, for ethnic cleansing, for slavery, for bride-price, and for indiscriminate massacre, but we are not bound by any of it because it was put together by crude, uncultured human mammals." – God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, 2007

"My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilisation, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either." – God Is Not Great

"The only position that leaves me with no cognitive dissonance is atheism. It is not a creed. Death is certain, replacing both the siren-song of Paradise and the dread of Hell. Life on this earth, with all its mystery and beauty and pain, is then to be lived far more intensely: we stumble and get up, we are sad, confident, insecure, feel loneliness and joy and love. There is nothing more; but I want nothing more." – The Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Non-Believer, 2007

"I became a journalist partly so that I wouldn't ever have to rely on the press for my information." – Hitch-22, 2010

"What is your idea of earthly happiness? To be vindicated in my own lifetime." – Hitch-22

"Cheap booze is a false economy." – Hitch-22

"Where would you like to live? In a state of conflict or a conflicted state?" – Hitch-22
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13urnzz
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R.I.P.

his "religious polemics" are what set him apart from all the writers that made the american tv talk show circuit - when he would be on to tout his latest writings, the zealots would assail him for his beliefs, which he defended eloquently.
heggs
Spamalamadingdong
+581|6386|New York
I've never known of him until today, to be honest.

However, I can appreciate what he says about the Big Imaginary Friend in the Sky.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5356|London, England
Ok.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6469
i'm not really into his writing, per se, but i'm a fan of his writing, as i'm a fan of his locution and rhetoric. the breed of 'public intellectuals' are a dying one - intellectuals that can leave the academic tomes and actually present themselves to the public lay mass in a compelling and entertaining way. hitch was one of those guys (as you say above, from his chat show circuit appearances). also he was outspoken and not afraid to stick to his beliefs-- whether that was militant atheism or support for the wars in iraq/afghan. controversial as it may be he always had a rigorous, reasoned and educated approach to things. quite refreshing in the public-celebrity world thesedays. he was also relentlessly funny, with a great sense of good british old-boy acerbic wit.

i also respect him for confronting terminal illness totally uncompromisingly, without wavering in his views or previous statements (about religion, life and death) in the slightest. pretty courageous.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5356|London, England
I think he turned atheism into a cult but what do I know?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5700|College Park, MD
i knew his daughter

RIP
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Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,629|5786|Catherine Black
who?
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6469

Jay wrote:

I think he turned atheism into a cult but what do I know?
not a lot, evidently. dawkins was the driving force behind all that nonsense. hitchens sold some books off the back of it. his business was the polemic, and he had many more opinions/causes than just atheism. sure if the atheist-church retard brigade quote him a lot, so what? doesn't demean his actual thought and work. that's like saying schopenhauer and nietzsche aren't worth reading cause the nazi's cited them a lot.

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Uzique
dasein.
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Finray wrote:

who?
why are poorly educated scottish mongs so proud to display their idiocy?
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Finray
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I'm just posting my standard response to "half-celebrity x" has died threads
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6469
my first line said "he wasn't a celebrity and this isn't a celebrity rip" thread. he was a public intellectual and a good writer and a damn good speaker. you act like i'm posting paris hilton's obituary. but it's cool, we get it fin, you don't read and have no interest in anything above working for a call centre and porking fat chicks. no need to wear it as a badge of honour.
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eleven bravo
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I was lucky enough to meet him back in february
Tu Stultus Es
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
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Uzique wrote:

Jay wrote:

I think he turned atheism into a cult but what do I know?
not a lot, evidently. dawkins was the driving force behind all that nonsense. hitchens sold some books off the back of it. his business was the polemic, and he had many more opinions/causes than just atheism. sure if the atheist-church retard brigade quote him a lot, so what? doesn't demean his actual thought and work. that's like saying schopenhauer and nietzsche aren't worth reading cause the nazi's cited them a lot.
I stand corrected. I was completely ignorant of his work outside of the 'atheist-church retard brigades' quotations of him.

This I found to be quite interesting and it was quoted within an obit:

Christopher Hitchens wrote:

Karl Marx was possibly the consummate anti-statist in his original writings and believed that the state was not the solution to social problems, but the outcome of them, the forcible resolution in favor of one ruling group. He thought that if you could give a name to utopia, it was the withering away of the state. Certainly those words had a big effect on me.

    The reason why people tend to forget them, or the left has a tendency to forget them in practice, has something to do with the realm of necessity. If you make your priority -- let’s call it the 1930s -- the end of massive unemployment, which was then defined as one of the leading problems, there seemed no way to do it except by a program of public works. And, indeed, the fascist governments in Europe drew exactly the same conclusion at exactly the same time as Roosevelt did, and as, actually, the British Tories did not. But not because the Tories had a better idea of what to do about it. They actually favored unemployment as a means of disciplining the labor market.

    You see what I mean: Right away, one’s in an argument, and there’s really nothing to do with utopia at all. And then temporary expedients become dogma very quickly -- especially if they seem to work....

    Marx’s original insight about capitalism was that it was the most revolutionary and creative force ever to appear in human history. And though it brought with it enormous attendant dangers, [the revolutionary nature] was the first thing to recognize about it. That is actually what the Manifesto is all about. As far as I know, no better summary of the beauty of capital has ever been written. You sort of know it’s true, and yet it can’t be, because it doesn’t compute in the way we’re taught to think. Any more than it computes, for example, that Marx and Engels thought that America was the great country of freedom and revolution and Russia was the great country of tyranny and backwardness.

    But that’s exactly what they did think, and you can still astonish people at dinner parties by saying that. To me it’s as true as knowing my own middle name. Imagine what it is to live in a culture where people’s first instinct when you say it is to laugh. Or to look bewildered. But that’s the nearest I’ve come to stating not just what I believe, but everything I ever have believed, all in one girth.
Maybe I'll pick up one of his books to read over the next few weeks.
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-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6469
he's worth reading because of his eloquence and expression, if anything. like i said, a great public speaker and public intellectual: bringing high-minded ivory tower type stuff down to popular polemic and debate. this talk is a great example of his charisma and rhetorical ability... although it is on the back of his atheist-material book-tour. what i find interesting about his character is that all this atheist writing came very late in his life, almost immediately anticipating his terminal illness... and yet not a single fuck was given by him. now that's intellect.

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Macbeth
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too bad most people will only remember him for god is not great. the guy wrote a ton of other stuff about everything. 

Rest in peace
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6469
here you go galt, dug this one up for you. hitchens reviews newt gingrich for that favourite publication of mine, the lrb:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v17/n16/christophe … s/newtopia
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Jay
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Welfare costs absorb a whole I per cent of the Federal budget, but the welfare underclass supplies perhaps 50 per cent of America’s political anecdotes – a productivity factor that is a story in itself. It is felt, perhaps, that at least one class in America should set an example of continence, wedlock and thrift. No other class shows any sign of doing so.
haha, that's pretty fantastic
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6469
watch the video, too. you could do a lot worse than to have an hour of your life soundtracked by those dulcet tones.
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Jay
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+2,006|5356|London, England

Uzique wrote:

watch the video, too. you could do a lot worse than to have an hour of your life soundtracked by those dulcet tones.
I almost don't want to. I read that entire article in the voice of the gay news commentator from V for Vendetta and don't want it ruined just yet

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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6469
hitchens voice rocks. i'm sad i'll never get to hear it again except in old repeats.
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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Jay wrote:

Uzique wrote:

watch the video, too. you could do a lot worse than to have an hour of your life soundtracked by those dulcet tones.
I almost don't want to. I read that entire article in the voice of the gay news commentator from V for Vendetta and don't want it ruined just yet
i watched that the other night!!
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Camm
Feeding the Cats.
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what a prick
for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6469
remember christians must always be humble
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