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Jay
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Superior Mind wrote:

That's fine. In studying extinct religions of the ancient Mediterranean and near east one realizes how plagiarism is a continual trend.


e: So, do you maintain your plainness?
I actually do. It's something that always stuck with me subconsciously.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
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+2,003|4161|London, England
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My Quakerism teacher was the guy in the costume (this is a pic from Founder's Day)
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique
dasein.
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anglican schools > all
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Superior Mind
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In what ways to you maintain plainness?
Jay
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The basic tenets of the religion are honesty, plain speech and dress, pacifism, no swearing of oaths, and there is more that I'm forgetting. As for plainness, I don't chase designer labels and actually kind of frown upon that stuff, I don't believe in displays of wealth, I don't believe in hiding my thoughts and ideas behind a wall of academic-sounding language. I failed at the pacifism part for a while but I'm making up for lost time
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
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+2,003|4161|London, England
From the school website:

"In an increasingly materialistic and competitive world, the values we teach our children matter more than ever.
Since 1876, we've been teaching our students timeless Quaker values.
Like integrity, simplicity and moderation.  That all people are created equal and deserve respect.
And that service to others is important while what brand of jeans you wear is not.

We instill in our students lessons you won't find in books.  And values that last a lifetime.
About truth, morality and conscience.  That courage matters and character counts.
And that what you own doesn't matter nearly as much as who you are.

In a world that gets noisier day by day, our students sit in silence for 45 minutes once a week and listen to their inner voice.
It's just one of the many ways we develop strong minds and kind hearts.  "
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|5274
jay i think most of those things are just lucky coincidences for you really, isn't it? you don't talk in academic formalese because you're not academic. you don't chase designer labels and frown upon it because you were born poor and have major class/wealth hang-ups. you don't swear oaths except when they involve full-time employment and a discounted education, in which case you're all about the oaths. i'd say you're occasionally a quaker by blindluck, most of the times you're just... you.
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Superior Mind
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Jay wrote:

hiding my thoughts and ideas behind a wall of academic-sounding language.
Not sure what this means. One's vocabulary should always be expanded.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|5274

Jay wrote:

From the school website:

"In an increasingly materialistic and competitive world, the values we teach our children matter more than ever.
Since 1876, we've been teaching our students timeless Quaker values.
Like integrity, simplicity and moderation.  That all people are created equal and deserve respect.
And that service to others is important while what brand of jeans you wear is not.

We instill in our students lessons you won't find in books.  And values that last a lifetime.
About truth, morality and conscience.  That courage matters and character counts.
And that what you own doesn't matter nearly as much as who you are.

In a world that gets noisier day by day, our students sit in silence for 45 minutes once a week and listen to their inner voice.
It's just one of the many ways we develop strong minds and kind hearts.  "
that school ethos sucks
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Jay
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I was using 'academic formalese' as an example. Americans on the whole speak plainly by default.

Most people who are born poor try to chase designer labels to overcompensate. It's why they get labeled nouveau riche.

When joining the military, there is an option to 'affirm' rather than 'swear' that I made use of
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|5274

Superior Mind wrote:

Jay wrote:

hiding my thoughts and ideas behind a wall of academic-sounding language.
Not sure what this means. One's vocabulary should always be expanded.
i think he's covering his ass for the previous embarrassing situations he's put himself in where he has attempted the academic discourse and been called out. think hegel monograph. that was john being academic... and getting pointed out of the door. although now of course it's just him purposefully and consciously choosing to escrew academia - which is surely just a smokes and mirrors trick - for his virtuous plain language.
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|5274

Jay wrote:

I was using 'academic formalese' as an example. Americans on the whole speak plainly by default.

Most people who are born poor try to chase designer labels to overcompensate. It's why they get labeled nouveau riche.

When joining the military, there is an option to 'affirm' rather than 'swear' that I made use of
just as many people born poor spite rich/wealthy people all their lives and go out of their way to hate all middle/upper class affectation. for every nouveau riche arriviste there's a guy that keeps his head down and mutters under his breath.
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Jay
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+2,003|4161|London, England

Superior Mind wrote:

Jay wrote:

hiding my thoughts and ideas behind a wall of academic-sounding language.
Not sure what this means. One's vocabulary should always be expanded.
It depends on your audience. Using an expanded vocabulary when talking to people that barely passed high school makes you appear haughty. That's what Quakers frown upon.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
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+2,003|4161|London, England

Uzique wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Jay wrote:

hiding my thoughts and ideas behind a wall of academic-sounding language.
Not sure what this means. One's vocabulary should always be expanded.
i think he's covering his ass for the previous embarrassing situations he's put himself in where he has attempted the academic discourse and been called out. think hegel monograph. that was john being academic... and getting pointed out of the door. although now of course it's just him purposefully and consciously choosing to escrew academia - which is surely just a smokes and mirrors trick - for his virtuous plain language.
We're having a nice conversation here and you go out of your way to be a twit again. Jesus Christ dude, you have major fucking issues.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
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So I'm supposed to dumb down my speech because I'm talking to dumb people? That only flies with children and the actually mentally impaired.
Uzique
dasein.
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no i just think it's funny how you're conveniently constructing your identity retroactively around this whole 'quaker' thing, when the causes are obviously much different than the ethos of your grade school. you didn't choose an academic life and you didn't study an academic degree - that's why you can't 'do' academic talk or discussion. it's a specialist language you simply haven't been taught. it has nothing to do with "oh i was raised a quaker so i shun complex speech for humble locution". you're just retroactively attributing that to you so it covers all the bases. painful to watch.
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Jay
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Superior Mind wrote:

So I'm supposed to dumb down my speech because I'm talking to dumb people? That only flies with children and the actually mentally impaired.
I actually hate when people talk down to children
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
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+2,003|4161|London, England

Uzique wrote:

no i just think it's funny how you're conveniently constructing your identity retroactively around this whole 'quaker' thing, when the causes are obviously much different than the ethos of your grade school. you didn't choose an academic life and you didn't study an academic degree - that's why you can't 'do' academic talk or discussion. it's a specialist language you simply haven't been taught. it has nothing to do with "oh i was raised a quaker so i shun complex speech for humble locution". you're just retroactively attributing that to you so it covers all the bases. painful to watch.
How is my degree non-academic? Because it was math and science heavy at the expense of humanities and the arts? Please. I had to do internships and research papers and independent study just like you.

An engineering degree is just an applied, rather than theoretical, physics degree. It's not herp derp let's go in a garage and work on cars all day. Seriously, stop, I know you have issues with all the engineers on this forum, but this line of argument makes you look like a fool.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,754|5496
There is a difference between talking down to someone and speaking in a linguistically simple manor. I wouldn't expect my nephews to understand certain complex words. However when conversing with another adult I expect that person to have an adult's comprehension of the language.


e: However I don't consciously check myself when speaking to children. If they hear a word they have never heard before they will most likely ask what it means as it is the nature of children to ask questions.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2011-12-23 07:49:29)

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my female dominican cousin has an engineering degree from syracuse and works at BAE
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Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
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You have a female Dominican cousin? Nice.
Jay
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+2,003|4161|London, England

Superior Mind wrote:

You have a female Dominican cousin? Nice.
He is Dominicant.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
eleven bravo
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Superior Mind wrote:

You have a female Dominican cousin? Nice.
my mom is from DR but grew up in NYC in the 60's and 70's.  I have a lot of family in nyc.  over there in washington heights.
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Superior Mind
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Let me revise my question: You have a female cousin? Nice.
eleven bravo
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you and my mom both went to hunter
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