that^ has never been definitelively proven.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Gay people are born that way and can't help it.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Because I believe in freedom of association. If you want to be a close minded bigot and turn your back on the world then so be it. Just like you have no right to demand access to my monthly poker game, you also have no right to my time at work.SuperJail Warden wrote:
These religious freedom bills are pretty Jim Crow like. Sure, they aren't forcing people to the back of a bus but they still give a person or community the ability to deny services and make life hell for people who are different by birth.Jay wrote:
The difference now is that there are no Jim Crowe laws against gay people and it's not difficult to avoid businesses that are bigoted against you. The Internet changed everything. We seriously live in a first world country when we can afford to waste time on legislating "make them like me" laws. The activists and Twitter-outragers on both sides should be fed cyanide.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Black people are born black and can't change. Because of that, it is illegal to discriminate against them and society mostly accepts that.
Gay people are born that way and can't help it. The parallels are obvious. I have zero sympathy for that business. Especially when they invoke religion in defense of their bigotry.
'Business owners should be allowed to discriminate" has to be the dumbest and most stupidly idealistic libertarian view ever. It makes sense if property rights are all that keep a country running but it is so pointlessly destructive in practice. It undermines communities, and causes economic deficiencies. Aren't you people supposed to be pragmatist? Is this really the one impractical policy you want to support?
Like most libertarian views, every developed and well developing country in the world rejects business discrimination. Muslims, libertarians, and racist are the only people who support businesses rejecting people for things like that.
I mean really, you have no way to enforce it anyway. A photographer could always just say sorry I'm booked. They could have a giant tattoo on their forehead that says being gay is an abomination as long as they never admit to denying services based on it they're in the clear. That's why these laws and activism is completely pointless and stupid.
All the law in Indiana did was make it so people no longer had to lie.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
photographer did that then the gays acted like a straight couple, found the weekend was open, and ran to the media
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I have no right to demand your time at work and you are not entitled to a business license. Unless you plan to use the barter system you are going to have to follow laws that say everyone has equal access to your services and goods. Tough luck.Jay wrote:
Because I believe in freedom of association. If you want to be a close minded bigot and turn your back on the world then so be it. Just like you have no right to demand access to my monthly poker game, you also have no right to my time at work.SuperJail Warden wrote:
These religious freedom bills are pretty Jim Crow like. Sure, they aren't forcing people to the back of a bus but they still give a person or community the ability to deny services and make life hell for people who are different by birth.Jay wrote:
The difference now is that there are no Jim Crowe laws against gay people and it's not difficult to avoid businesses that are bigoted against you. The Internet changed everything. We seriously live in a first world country when we can afford to waste time on legislating "make them like me" laws. The activists and Twitter-outragers on both sides should be fed cyanide.
'Business owners should be allowed to discriminate" has to be the dumbest and most stupidly idealistic libertarian view ever. It makes sense if property rights are all that keep a country running but it is so pointlessly destructive in practice. It undermines communities, and causes economic deficiencies. Aren't you people supposed to be pragmatist? Is this really the one impractical policy you want to support?
Like most libertarian views, every developed and well developing country in the world rejects business discrimination. Muslims, libertarians, and racist are the only people who support businesses rejecting people for things like that.
I mean really, you have no way to enforce it anyway. A photographer could always just say sorry I'm booked. They could have a giant tattoo on their forehead that says being gay is an abomination as long as they never admit to denying services based on it they're in the clear. That's why these laws and activism is completely pointless and stupid.
All the law in Indiana did was make it so people no longer had to lie.
And you can talk about freedom of association all you want (as if stopping people from putting up a 'no fags' sign in front of their pizza place is the stop right before banning political parties or something) but you didn't have a response as to why business discrimination is a good thing for a community to have. It turns people against each other. It hold back economic development. There is no justifiable reason for it beyond trying to be as literal as possible with our "FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION"
If anything trying to hammer in freedom of association into the discussion hurts the right more so than anti-discrimination laws. If you start invoking amendments for unreasonable and dumb shit, people are going to start questioning the purpose and utility of the right.
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Again, you are trying to legislate acceptance. It doesn't work like that. People are discriminated against for being different all the time. It's part of the mammalian herd instinct.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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You don't understand the difference between a giant sign in front of a restaurant that reads 'ABSOLUTELY NO N*GGERS' and someone not being treated the best that they deserve to be because the waiter doesn't like them?
guess repealing those jim crowe laws didn't do anything.Jay wrote:
Again, you are trying to legislate acceptance. It doesn't work like that. People are discriminated against for being different all the time. It's part of the mammalian herd instinct.
There's a vast difference between institutionalized bigotry, where the rule of law is used to keep one group of people in an inferior state, and what we have today which is essentially people trying to legislate politeness and acceptance so nobody gets their feelings hurt. No one is being forced to the back of the bus, or to use a separate water fountain. No one is having their voting rights impinged or their kids forced into separate schools.Cybargs wrote:
guess repealing those jim crowe laws didn't do anything.Jay wrote:
Again, you are trying to legislate acceptance. It doesn't work like that. People are discriminated against for being different all the time. It's part of the mammalian herd instinct.
It is so apples and oranges it's not even funny, but cause heads need a cause or they feel like their life is meaningless so here we are.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
was it a gay activist starting this witch hunt or did the pizza owner come out and say that on her own?Jay wrote:
Nah. Kind of an isolated incident and there was a lot of anger built up over the years about the issue. I honestly have zero sympathy for the gay activists who are starting these witch hunts. If people don't want to cater your wedding just deal with it. Not everyone in life is going to like you. They certainly shouldn't be forced by the government to tolerate you beyond restraining any violence against you.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Business says they will discriminate and are given almost a million dollars for it. Does this put an end to the libertarian argument that "businesses that discriminate will go out of business because people will not support them'?Memories Pizza, the Indiana establishment, which sparked national outrage over its owner’s anti-LGBT comments made Wednesday during a local news broadcast, has raised a whopping $842,387 in donations from supporters.
Following Indiana’s contentious Religious Freedom Restoration Act, the Walkerton, Indiana restaurant became the subject of harsh criticism after co-owner Crystal O’Connor said she would refuse to cater gay marriages.
“If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide pizzas for their wedding, we would have to say no,” she told a local ABC affiliate. “We are a Christian establishment.”
Following the backlash over the remarks, supporters of Memories started a GoFundMe campaign, and the owners of the pizzeria were flooded with donations from more than 29,000 people.
actually it has been proved that some people are homosexual at birth. It also occurs naturally in animals. Do you need me to help you out from that rock you're living under?Shahter wrote:
that^ has never been definitelively proven.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Gay people are born that way and can't help it.
gay propaganda.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
actually it has been proved that some people are homosexual at birth. It also occurs naturally in animals. Do you need me to help you out from that rock you're living under?Shahter wrote:
that^ has never been definitelively proven.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Gay people are born that way and can't help it.
liberal agendaCybargs wrote:
gay propaganda.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
actually it has been proved that some people are homosexual at birth. It also occurs naturally in animals. Do you need me to help you out from that rock you're living under?Shahter wrote:
that^ has never been definitelively proven.
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IIRC she said it on TV when a reporter asked her opinionKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
was it a gay activist starting this witch hunt or did the pizza owner come out and say that on her own?Jay wrote:
Nah. Kind of an isolated incident and there was a lot of anger built up over the years about the issue. I honestly have zero sympathy for the gay activists who are starting these witch hunts. If people don't want to cater your wedding just deal with it. Not everyone in life is going to like you. They certainly shouldn't be forced by the government to tolerate you beyond restraining any violence against you.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Business says they will discriminate and are given almost a million dollars for it. Does this put an end to the libertarian argument that "businesses that discriminate will go out of business because people will not support them'?
no, i hasn't been proven. there's a gene (or rather a combination of those) that influences ones stance within the spectrum of sexuality, yes, but that alone does not define ones sexuality - there are many other contributing factors.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
actually it has been proved that some people are homosexual at birth.
so no, nobody is homosexual - or heterosexual for that matter - at birth. go patronize over somebody else, thank you very much.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
A local news reporter looking for a story asked them if they would cater a gay wedding. They answered truthfully and the clip went viral when all the professional butthurt people on twitter were alerted.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
was it a gay activist starting this witch hunt or did the pizza owner come out and say that on her own?Jay wrote:
Nah. Kind of an isolated incident and there was a lot of anger built up over the years about the issue. I honestly have zero sympathy for the gay activists who are starting these witch hunts. If people don't want to cater your wedding just deal with it. Not everyone in life is going to like you. They certainly shouldn't be forced by the government to tolerate you beyond restraining any violence against you.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Business says they will discriminate and are given almost a million dollars for it. Does this put an end to the libertarian argument that "businesses that discriminate will go out of business because people will not support them'?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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She shouldn't have said shit on tv. Cry me a river. Words have consequences
They were asked a hypothetical question and gave a truthful answer. They never even denied anyone's business but they still invoked death threats and had to shut down their business. So much for acceptance, tolerance and diversity of opinion. They were literally threatened with death for holding an opposing and unpopular view.SuperJail Warden wrote:
She shouldn't have said shit on tv. Cry me a river. Words have consequences
Shit like this is why I roll my eyes at anti-bully legislation, calls for diversity etc. Mongs.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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Whatever happened to 'taking responsibility for your actions'? No one forced her to be on T.V. They didn't put a gun to her head. They didn't ambush her.Jay wrote:
They were asked a hypothetical question and gave a truthful answer. They never even denied anyone's business but they still invoked death threats and had to shut down their business. So much for acceptance, tolerance and diversity of opinion. They were literally threatened with death for holding an opposing and unpopular view.SuperJail Warden wrote:
She shouldn't have said shit on tv. Cry me a river. Words have consequences
Shit like this is why I roll my eyes at anti-bully legislation, calls for diversity etc. Mongs.
Watch the video. They did a whole segment in the shop.
https://youtu.be/94exLI-Y0z8
You only care about the business' freedom because you don't empathize with gays or anyone else outside of your narrow little life.
I empathize with gays plenty. I'm even going to two gay weddings this summer! What I don't empathize with is attempting to destroy peoples lives because they have beliefs that are different from my own. There are far too many people who spend way too much time on social media plotting the sadistic torture of anyone whose story or life goes viral.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Whatever happened to 'taking responsibility for your actions'? No one forced her to be on T.V. They didn't put a gun to her head. They didn't ambush her.Jay wrote:
They were asked a hypothetical question and gave a truthful answer. They never even denied anyone's business but they still invoked death threats and had to shut down their business. So much for acceptance, tolerance and diversity of opinion. They were literally threatened with death for holding an opposing and unpopular view.SuperJail Warden wrote:
She shouldn't have said shit on tv. Cry me a river. Words have consequences
Shit like this is why I roll my eyes at anti-bully legislation, calls for diversity etc. Mongs.
Watch the video. They did a whole segment in the shop.
https://youtu.be/94exLI-Y0z8
You only care about the business' freedom because you don't empathize with gays or anyone else outside of your narrow little life.
How would you feel if members of PETA found your old posts here defending kitten stomp videos? Your life would crumble to ashes for something you probably regret saying but is memorialized on the internet forever.
Glass houses, kid.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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You make a good point. But I still am not against anti-discrimination laws.
Gay people have rights by the way. Animals do not have rights. Animals are property. You should be able to do anything you want to an animal if you own it.
Gay people have rights by the way. Animals do not have rights. Animals are property. You should be able to do anything you want to an animal if you own it.
You can't even do 'anything you want' to property in general.
That's your opinion. I disagree with it.SuperJail Warden wrote:
You make a good point. But I still am not against anti-discrimination laws.
Gay people have rights by the way. Animals do not have rights. Animals are property. You should be able to do anything you want to an animal if you own it.
Now I'm going to walk away without hacking your account to find your identity and posting your personal info all over the Internet so that I can claim I am furthering a cause. My self esteem is fine, I don't need strangers virtually high fiving me for five minutes before forgetting about me and moving on to the next artificial outrage.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
you couldn't hack your way out of a wet paper bag. but, for being such a fatty, you are an intellectual flyweight . . .Jay wrote:
That's your opinion. I disagree with it.SuperJail Warden wrote:
You make a good point. But I still am not against anti-discrimination laws.
Gay people have rights by the way. Animals do not have rights. Animals are property. You should be able to do anything you want to an animal if you own it.
Now I'm going to walk away without hacking your account to find your identity and posting your personal info all over the Internet so that I can claim I am furthering a cause. My self esteem is fine, I don't need strangers virtually high fiving me for five minutes before forgetting about me and moving on to the next artificial outrage.