Rather than have it spread out into off-topic banter, just bring it here and fight it out over here. That way if you wanna see it and be involved, just click the thread, if you don't, well its out of the way and you don't have to.
I don't want this to be a slaughter-fest thread or a belittling thread, just as close to debating as you can. If you can't keep away from personal attacks, you are probably arguing for the wrong reason.
Use this thread to widen your world view, not shrink it further.