Dilbert_X
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Pretty trivial sending a 20g package compared with your average 600kg family and their 150kg of luggage so they gawp at stuff.
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uziq
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it's not trivial, it props up a system of international shipping which contributes more to greenhouse gases than passenger flights. cargo shipping and air freight are bigger contributors to greenhouse gases than tourist airlines, dilbert. (not to mention, most small packages are sent in the cargo holds of ... passenger airliners.)

you just said we could solve the problem of polluting oil companies if 'people stopped buying their products'. so a 20 litre fuel tank full of oil in the back of a subaru can, bit by bit, change the world picture ... but your spring being sent 10,000 miles is somehow too negligible to be worth thinking about? LOL amazing logical consistency, there, chap.

i am the one proposing widespread systemic solutions and not nudging 'micro-consumerist bollocks'. i am applying your own reasoning back at you. you seem to think the world picture can be solved by sole individuals making incremental nudges. why don't you nudge your own behaviour and stop using hugely harmful international cargo shipping? you can't find a gun spring in australia? you fucking hypocrite. i'm sure you 'shooting at stuff' is far more important than 'gawping at stuff', poindexter.

iF evEryOne stOppEd puRchaSing inTerNatiOnaLly tHe pOlLutIng sHipPinG inDusTries WouLD gO ouT of BuSinesZ

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Dilbert_X
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So what are your 'systemic solutions'?

You don't actually have any do you.
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uziq
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governments need to impose carbon taxes, actually bring the major oil companies to heel, and lead massive state-led initiatives to fund a 'green revolution' in energy supply and conservation – even if it's not immediately profitable or delivers a return-on-investment. only governments, with the power of law and with the ability to raise taxes, can do that. 'consumer behaviour' and market-led bullshit won't turn the corporations around. "if everyone stops buying petrol and plastic, we'll fix the world!"

ironically you sound like jay, thinking the market and supply-demand curves can fix everything. fucking hilarious. spoken like the most myopic libertarian. 'i don't meat so my conscience is clear; it's everyone else's fault because they're selfish!' that strategy will fix a problem requiring the cooperation of 5 billion people. LOL.

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Dilbert_X
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What impact will carbon taxes have? Won't corporations just put their prices up?
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uziq
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in the parlance of market competition, we need to make carbon uncompetitive. it's that simple.

if corporations put their prices up above a certain threshold, won't people stop buying their products?

it's almost as if governments have it within their ability to effect mass-scale change, like you talk about in terms of individual choice and ethics!

wait until someone mentions to you the concept of price elasticity.
Dilbert_X
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I am going to plot this on a map

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uziq
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yes, well done, your little nerd spring at this point has had a greater impact on the planet than 75% of humans alive today in the global south ever will have.

but i guess shooting at paper targets to feel like a big man is more important.
Dilbert_X
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My arse, its going to Miami again.
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Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

yes, well done, your little nerd spring at this point has had a greater impact on the planet than 75% of humans alive today in the global south ever will have.

but i guess shooting at paper targets to feel like a big man is more important.
Um yes, of course hipster vinyl records are totally worthwhile.
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unnamednewbie13
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If dilbert had opted for amazon prime shipping, this weird labeling(?) mishap wouldn't be happening. But Bezos is evil, so there is that.
Dilbert_X
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This is what you get if you rely on the government to deliver a service.

Any Rand was right about everything.
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uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

yes, well done, your little nerd spring at this point has had a greater impact on the planet than 75% of humans alive today in the global south ever will have.

but i guess shooting at paper targets to feel like a big man is more important.
Um yes, of course hipster vinyl records are totally worthwhile.
a great majority of vinyl has been recycled since the 1970s. even back then your average rock LP was made of a recycled composite. 

and, once again, i’m the one advocating systemic change and not pointing fingers, spider-man meme style, at the little guy and his little pleasures. the cure fans buying limited edition albums aren’t melting the polar ice caps.

probably a safe bet that your entire engineering career has had a bigger carbon footprint than my vocation. trees are regenerable.
SuperJail Warden
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In my hometown there was a house called "the 70's house". It was abandoned in the 70's and was instead used as a place to party since it was in a really isolated place. The owners left a giant cabinet of vinyl records behind. Being the stupid teens we were, my friends smashed them. Only now as an adult do I understand that that those records could have been worth big money and nobody would notice they were even gone.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
Dilbert_X
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I bet everyone walks barefoot to their local record store, they never get them mail-order.
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uziq
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vinyl records don't have massive international supply chains. that's not how record labels, like publishing houses, organize their distribution. there are normally pressing plants nearby. vinyl is heavy and fragile and frankly a bit of a nightmare to mail.

i go to my local record store(s). most of the music i buy is actually form local record companies in the city. as in, my friends run some. that's part of the whole interest of following contemporary music, dance music especially. it's hyper-localised, and in fact you can't even get certain sought-after records or sounds if you're not in the city or country its from.

it's not the 1970s with your dad ordering 3 MOR albums from the RCA subscription pool each month. people don't consume physical music in that way anymore.

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Dilbert_X
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Doesn't music downloaded over the internet consume electricity though?
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uziq
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so does your endless posting of piffle.
Dilbert_X
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I don't care though
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unnamednewbie13
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Should we guess on how many miles dilbert's spring will travel before he finally gets it? I don't know what should be offered up as a prize other than bragging rights.
Dilbert_X
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Your item departed our USPS facility in YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER on October 30, 2021 at 5:46 pm. The item is currently in transit to the destination.

My arse, its going to Miami again.
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Fucking nailed it
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Dilbert_X
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Should we guess on how many miles dilbert's spring will travel before he finally gets it? I don't know what should be offered up as a prize other than bragging rights.
How about I send the winner a spring.
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unnamednewbie13
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Only if it's THE spring.
Dilbert_X
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Shooting club committee is utter madness.

Current shenanigans make me feel I'm in 12 Angry Men, although more the Tony Hancock version than the original, so much so that it does feel black and white.

"The rules of conduct, even before we had written them, do not allow members to undertake illegal acts"

This person has a PhD, how in the fuck am I supposed to deal with this level of stupid.
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Dilbert_X
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https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5f706u

Manic depressives do make the best comedians.

One I've achieved my objective maybe I'll reverse my position and start again
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