calling mcdonalds a restaurant is just bizarre. you seldom even sit down. there is no service.
please use our european languages better, common colonial oiks.
please use our european languages better, common colonial oiks.
You're very smart, but sometimes you're quite dumb. I weigh 140 lbs. Not everyone in this country is fed out of a trough as you'd like to think. A lot of those low-mid end sorts of restaurants pay their service staff crap to the extent they rely on tips, but you think they'd splurge on a chef? A "cook" doesn't cost nearly as much. If anything, you're just noting a gap in our food industry.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
a good 2-course meal is like £20, £25 if you want a glass of wine. please. 'silver spoon'. not all of us were born with self-respect for our diets, but i guess some of us will die of colon cancer.DesertFox- wrote:
They still exist, but oftentimes are ridiculously expensive. Not of all of us were born with silver spoons.
It can be forgiven that McDonald's is called a restaurant considering that it's classified as such by wikipedia, marketed as such and that "fast food restaurant" is colloquially shortened to "restaurant."
Huh? I've only ever heard it called "college" or some other such term after high school.Jay wrote:
Just like everything is school from pre-kindergarten all the way through phd programs.
NYC you tip 20% on top of the meal for dinner and 15% for lunch. Feels kinda shitty when you spend 100 bucks at a restaurant and then expected to shell out 20% more.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
did you have to tip in that restaurant that cost you $250? 15-20%? or is it included?Jay wrote:
It's you paying more for your meal than you have to, while paying for service whether it is good or not. Works both ways.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
my point is we don't tip in europe and it's not a stupid grievance you have to factor into a 'travel budget'. it's unnecessary. it's you picking up the cost for underpaying employers. it's you propping up wage slavery.
and i'd rather all my money went to the chef and hosts, i.e. the real talent. i am fine with waiters being paid an ordinary-average wage. of course the businesses' basic income has to be redistributed to pay for all of its outgoings. but that's like saying you pay a 'high' price for the food so they can pay their water-bills for the washing up afterwards. it's not really the same thing as having to consciously take out 15% of a meal price and leave it in a jar on the table. fuck waiters. you'll get paid minimum wage until you get a real job.
In aussieland casino's won't allow you to tip dealers at poker tables, which is a good thing tbh.
these are restaurants. a head chef, sous chef, kitchen staff, hierarchies, specific menus and all that jazz. they still hire the lowest of the low for their kitchen staff.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
yes, i am talking about restaurants... not diners. not a gastropub. not a cafe. not a trailer. restaurants. with chefs. kitchen staff. hierarchies. specific menus.Winston_Churchill wrote:
that makes sense for a nicer restaurant, but for most mid level/chain restaurants the cooks are high school dropout robots. the servers certainly deserve more for actually having to deal with people, but not the divide it currently is.
just from my 2 summers experience at a bar/restaurant a server in wages + tips would make ~$250-350+ a night and a cook ~$150.
what? everything you said in that post is irrelevant to my point.DesertFox- wrote:
You're very smart, but sometimes you're quite dumb. I weigh 140 lbs. Not everyone in this country is fed out of a trough as you'd like to think. A lot of those low-mid end sorts of restaurants pay their service staff crap to the extent they rely on tips, but you think they'd splurge on a chef? A "cook" doesn't cost nearly as much. If anything, you're just noting a gap in our food industry.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
a good 2-course meal is like £20, £25 if you want a glass of wine. please. 'silver spoon'. not all of us were born with self-respect for our diets, but i guess some of us will die of colon cancer.DesertFox- wrote:
They still exist, but oftentimes are ridiculously expensive. Not of all of us were born with silver spoons.
it's hardly silver spoon posho snobbery to spend $30 on a decent meal for yourself every few weeks. why 'eat out' if you're going to sit down and give yourself a heart-attack, served up by a pimpled high-school drop-out who doesn't want to be there? do americans enjoy visiting shitty quality diners or something?
well those things aren't related at all....Cybargs wrote:
NYC you tip 20% on top of the meal for dinner and 15% for lunch. Feels kinda shitty when you spend 100 bucks at a restaurant and then expected to shell out 20% more.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
did you have to tip in that restaurant that cost you $250? 15-20%? or is it included?Jay wrote:
It's you paying more for your meal than you have to, while paying for service whether it is good or not. Works both ways.
and i'd rather all my money went to the chef and hosts, i.e. the real talent. i am fine with waiters being paid an ordinary-average wage. of course the businesses' basic income has to be redistributed to pay for all of its outgoings. but that's like saying you pay a 'high' price for the food so they can pay their water-bills for the washing up afterwards. it's not really the same thing as having to consciously take out 15% of a meal price and leave it in a jar on the table. fuck waiters. you'll get paid minimum wage until you get a real job.
In aussieland casino's won't allow you to tip dealers at poker tables, which is a good thing tbh.
Oh, and minimum wage is like $7.50 here, but waiters have their own set at $2.35 or so. They literally depend on tips.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
This may shed some light:
Wage and Hour Division (WHD)
Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees
January 1, 2013
http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
Stay classy, $2.13 states.
Wage and Hour Division (WHD)
Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees
January 1, 2013
http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
Stay classy, $2.13 states.
yeah i said that in my first post, though. why should a person that wants a good meal feel guilty about an entire catering industries' systemic wage slavery? it's not the customer's fault. it shouldn't be their burden, really. it's just crappy financial management from restaurant owners. they only do it because your employment laws are so lax that they can.
what an arcane and pointless system. how about you just pay them a decent wage commensurate to their skill/labour and be done with it.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
This may shed some light:
Wage and Hour Division (WHD)
Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees
January 1, 2013
http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
Yes, I agree. It isn't fair that people working a legal job should still have to rely on handouts to get by. I wish the federal government luck in stepping in to put a stop to it, because all the bellyaching about it would be riotous. Still, it wouldn't stop me from tipping even if fixed, since I like doing it. I just wouldn't feel a cultural pressure to tip by set amount or percentage, and instead tip what I want. You could call it the humble bacon bundle.
we do actually tip in europe, but it's not 20%, and it's something you do because you particularly want to draw attention to the great service, and personally give the staff a 'bonus'. not tipping because it's obligatory and you know the waiter needs it for rent. kinda ruins the whole idea of tipping someone for their 'good' service.
Ok Mr. Pink.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Yes, I agree. It isn't fair that people working a legal job should still have to rely on handouts to get by. I wish the federal government luck in stepping in to put a stop to it, because all the bellyaching about it would be riotous. Still, it wouldn't stop me from tipping even if fixed, since I like doing it. I just wouldn't feel a cultural pressure to tip by set amount or percentage, and instead tip what I want. You could call it the humble bacon bundle.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
do waiters get government grants?
The problem is, some waiters and waitresses can make 100 bucks a night on tips. Those people would be fucking outraged if their minimum wage went up and weren't allowed tips anymore.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
you're right, it is a "problem". waiter and waitresses should be paid realistically for their labour/service. the problem is compounded in two ways: they get paid peanuts by their employer, and expect a wage/lifestyle way above their actual labour-value from 'big tippers'.UnkleRukus wrote:
The problem is, some waiters and waitresses can make 100 bucks a night on tips. Those people would be fucking outraged if their minimum wage went up and weren't allowed tips anymore.
how are they not related? both are service industry. but the waitress' get pretty good tips since everyone has stacks of 5 dollar chips they end up paying a drink per chip, not too shabby.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
well those things aren't related at all....Cybargs wrote:
NYC you tip 20% on top of the meal for dinner and 15% for lunch. Feels kinda shitty when you spend 100 bucks at a restaurant and then expected to shell out 20% more.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
did you have to tip in that restaurant that cost you $250? 15-20%? or is it included?
and i'd rather all my money went to the chef and hosts, i.e. the real talent. i am fine with waiters being paid an ordinary-average wage. of course the businesses' basic income has to be redistributed to pay for all of its outgoings. but that's like saying you pay a 'high' price for the food so they can pay their water-bills for the washing up afterwards. it's not really the same thing as having to consciously take out 15% of a meal price and leave it in a jar on the table. fuck waiters. you'll get paid minimum wage until you get a real job.
In aussieland casino's won't allow you to tip dealers at poker tables, which is a good thing tbh.
listening to Katy Perry and my sister just sighs as she walks by. Can't help what music I think sounds good or not.
tipping casino workers is obviously banned because you don't want any 'house workers' making chummy friendships with the gamblers. it can influence a game. you need a neutral card dealer. obviously they're going to block any cash transactions between gamblers and people who work there.Cybargs wrote:
how are they not related? both are service industry. but the waitress' get pretty good tips since everyone has stacks of 5 dollar chips they end up paying a drink per chip, not too shabby.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
well those things aren't related at all....Cybargs wrote:
NYC you tip 20% on top of the meal for dinner and 15% for lunch. Feels kinda shitty when you spend 100 bucks at a restaurant and then expected to shell out 20% more.
In aussieland casino's won't allow you to tip dealers at poker tables, which is a good thing tbh.
Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-07-12 07:12:16)
guess you never played poker. tipping a dealer cant influence a game, most of the shuffling is done by machines anyway. Of course casinos and dealers want to keep their clients happy, that's how you bring them back. it's more a company policy than gov law.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
tipping casino workers is obviously banned because you don't want any 'house workers' making chummy friendships with the gamblers. it can influence a game. you need a neutral card dealer. obviously they're going to block any cash transactions between gamblers and people who work there.Cybargs wrote:
how are they not related? both are service industry. but the waitress' get pretty good tips since everyone has stacks of 5 dollar chips they end up paying a drink per chip, not too shabby.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
well those things aren't related at all....
i always tip table game dealers, and even bet on their behalf sometimes.
they appreciate the gesture, and they prompt the wait staff to take care of you.
then i tip the wait staff, they appreciate it and are more attentive.
they appreciate the gesture, and they prompt the wait staff to take care of you.
then i tip the wait staff, they appreciate it and are more attentive.
Plus free drinks.
I think its insulting to pay these people a pittence. Dealing with the public is one of the most annoying and stressful things one can do. Customers are picky, angsty, insulting, and down right mean about what they want.
I think its insulting to pay these people a pittence. Dealing with the public is one of the most annoying and stressful things one can do. Customers are picky, angsty, insulting, and down right mean about what they want.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
But the ambiguity (how much and when) of the practice can get a bit wearisome, and the inconsistency (who to) frustrating. A lot of people "work with the public" but aren't supposed to be tipped, including some people who work in the food industry. You can tip one sandwich maker but not another.UnkleRukus wrote:
Plus free drinks.
I think its insulting to pay these people a pittence. Dealing with the public is one of the most annoying and stressful things one can do. Customers are picky, angsty, insulting, and down right mean about what they want.
i'm not talking about poker. i'm talking about befriending or giving cash to any casino worker under any circumstance. it's obviously something they are going to blanket ban. cash = potential for conspiracy.Cybargs wrote:
guess you never played poker. tipping a dealer cant influence a game, most of the shuffling is done by machines anyway. Of course casinos and dealers want to keep their clients happy, that's how you bring them back. it's more a company policy than gov law.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
tipping casino workers is obviously banned because you don't want any 'house workers' making chummy friendships with the gamblers. it can influence a game. you need a neutral card dealer. obviously they're going to block any cash transactions between gamblers and people who work there.Cybargs wrote:
how are they not related? both are service industry. but the waitress' get pretty good tips since everyone has stacks of 5 dollar chips they end up paying a drink per chip, not too shabby.