Poll

Do you think IRNV scopes are overpowered?

Yes50%50% - 25
No50%50% - 25
Total: 50
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6767|UK
Im talking to all the people saying 4x scope is better.
Aries_37
arrivederci frog
+368|6576|London
Is it the IR scope that's letting me see enemy lifebars?
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6717

Vilham wrote:

Im talking to all the people saying 4x scope is better.
bullshit. IR NV makes me see all
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Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6654
I picked up a gun today that didn't have an IR scope. It was horrible, there was dust and bits of paper and lights blinding me everywhere and I died

but yeah no, IRNV is totally balanced
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TimmmmaaaaH
Damn, I... had something for this
+725|6440|Brisbane, Australia

Roc18 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Please someone explain why you even need zoom optics. The M416 with IRNV will hit anyone with no trouble at all distances.
wat

I'm talking about the armor zoom.
Armor zoom seems shitty to me, it replaces fucking thermal optics which are awesome as shit and also there are rarely times you need the zoom from my experience. In tanks especially, you have to recalculate the shell drop as well rather than having a good idea of where to shoot.
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Roc18
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+655|5791|PROLLLY PROLLLY PROLLLY

TimmmmaaaaH wrote:

Roc18 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Please someone explain why you even need zoom optics. The M416 with IRNV will hit anyone with no trouble at all distances.
wat

I'm talking about the armor zoom.
Armor zoom seems shitty to me, it replaces fucking thermal optics which are awesome as shit and also there are rarely times you need the zoom from my experience. In tanks especially, you have to recalculate the shell drop as well rather than having a good idea of where to shoot.
Zoom + the LMG is amazing killing infantry at longer ranges with the LMG is useful. When I use thermal I'm not as accurate with my LMG or Cannon. I'm skilled at hitting armor at long range with the cannon as well.

Thermal would be my second choice if there was no zoom.

Last edited by Roc18 (2011-11-02 12:06:21)

TimmmmaaaaH
Damn, I... had something for this
+725|6440|Brisbane, Australia

Yeh, thermal can get in the way sometimes. I can see how zoom is useful in some circumstances, still take thermal over it though - forgot about how thermal lights up mines in bright white, that has saved me a lot. Still all preference rather than 100% better one way or the other which is good. Nothing like IRNV versus normals scopes lol.
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6471
game-ruining, for too many reasons to bother writing here.
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DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6682|Disaster Free Zone

jmsprovan wrote:

It would make sense that as you progress through the unlocks they get better but :DICE:
No it wouldn't. Anything 'good' shouldn't need unlocking or be the very first things you get. The trivial things is what you should get last. This is an FPS correct not and RPG? So your chance to win should be based on skill not how you've outfitted your character, correct? Unlocks and perks which 'upgrade' your character ruins FPS.
BVC
Member
+325|6696
G3A3/IRNV/torch is awesome _b
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6717
one thing should be unlocked near the last is the stinger for engy. lol planes are absolute fucking shit in this game
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Sturgeon
Member
+488|4941|Flintshire

Cybargs wrote:

one thing should be unlocked near the last is the stinger for engy. lol planes are absolute fucking shit in this game
Negative
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Da Blooze
+111|6654

DrunkFace wrote:

jmsprovan wrote:

It would make sense that as you progress through the unlocks they get better but :DICE:
No it wouldn't. Anything 'good' shouldn't need unlocking or be the very first things you get. The trivial things is what you should get last. This is an FPS correct not and RPG? So your chance to win should be based on skill not how you've outfitted your character, correct? Unlocks and perks which 'upgrade' your character ruins FPS.
I'm feeling this way more and more.  I don't have the time to put in the keep up with all the people who are already level 25, 35, 40+...I get killed routinely by the AEK, A91, and other guns that I know (having used them from dead guys' kits) are in a completely different league than the literal shit I have. 

Why would I ever choose a recon kit, when I don't even start with a scoped gun?  That kit will sit at 0 points til I'm done playing this game.  (For numerous reasons...)

And the M16A3 and M4 are complete shit compared to the next guns in line for assault/engy.  (The Ruskie counterparts seem a little better at least...) 

Same with RPK and M127.

One thing I actually liked about the beta was that the starting guns seemed more viable.  So if you didn't necessarily care to use what new guns you unlocked, you could continue to unlock accessories for those base weapons.  They're so shitty now that you're forced to start that process on the 2nd-tier weapons instead (or just keep unlocking new guns that you won't have accessories for.)


I'm all for unlockable content, but as said, it should not be stuff that makes a dramatic impact on your ability to get kills.

Vehicles should have all of their machineguns, rockets, etc. from the get-go.  Kits should have all of their basic functionality (shock paddles for medic/assault, etc.)

Maybe make unlocks increase damage/range/etc., or add weapons and items that don't provide a substantial advantage (e.g. they are simply different, with a unique "feel" to them...), but don't completely gut every aspect of the game in the name of making more unlockable content.
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6471

Sturgeon wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

one thing should be unlocked near the last is the stinger for engy. lol planes are absolute fucking shit in this game
Negative
they are, though, at least until you've bothered to get rage'd for about 3k points at which point you get a few decent unlocks. you can't do many successful fly-bys and live to tell the tale without your basic flares or extinguisher, there's just too much bullshit. planes are drastically gimped in this game considering how many things can shoot them down, and with how much ease.
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The A W S M F O X
I Won't Deny It
+172|5685|SQUID
I was wondering what all the fuss about the IRNV scope was, then picked up a m249 with it on hahaha can;t wait to unlock that bad boy on the Mk11
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6668

Yeah, finallly tried the IRNV last night.  Insane.  Forget flanking with that thing.  Just a pixel of yellow is all you need to know something is coming.

Also, the G3A3.  Guy went 29/4, with at least three of those my demise.  I literary got killed before I could even react.
The A W S M F O X
I Won't Deny It
+172|5685|SQUID
How many hits to kill with G3?
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6668

The A W S M F O X wrote:

How many hits to kill with G3?
However many bullets in a quarter second or so.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6717
SKS with IR scope zomgs.

im just pimping my AEK up and IRNV that bitch.

yeah jets are fucking shit in this game. only solution is to make the infantry AA a lot shorter range so you gotta get close to lock on to an air vehicle.
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Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6668

Cybargs wrote:

SKS with IR scope zomgs.

im just pimping my AEK up and IRNV that bitch.

yeah jets are fucking shit in this game. only solution is to make the infantry AA a lot shorter range so you gotta get close to lock on to an air vehicle.
Jets are not shit in this game.  Just get flares and you are good against most players.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6717

Ilocano wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

SKS with IR scope zomgs.

im just pimping my AEK up and IRNV that bitch.

yeah jets are fucking shit in this game. only solution is to make the infantry AA a lot shorter range so you gotta get close to lock on to an air vehicle.
Jets are not shit in this game.  Just get flares and you are good against most players.
not when the whole time you hear BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP from ground AA. I just got flares unlocks and it does help, but its a huge pain in the ass to fly super high not to get shot by 5 derp engies with AA

especially not on taz's server when we got 3d spotting turned off lol, cant see shit.
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Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6668

Cybargs wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

SKS with IR scope zomgs.

im just pimping my AEK up and IRNV that bitch.

yeah jets are fucking shit in this game. only solution is to make the infantry AA a lot shorter range so you gotta get close to lock on to an air vehicle.
Jets are not shit in this game.  Just get flares and you are good against most players.
not when the whole time you hear BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP from ground AA. I just got flares unlocks and it does help, but its a huge pain in the ass to fly super high not to get shot by 5 derp engies with AA

especially not on taz's server when we got 3d spotting turned off lol, cant see shit.
Point is infantry AA wasn't getting you.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6471

Ilocano wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

SKS with IR scope zomgs.

im just pimping my AEK up and IRNV that bitch.

yeah jets are fucking shit in this game. only solution is to make the infantry AA a lot shorter range so you gotta get close to lock on to an air vehicle.
Jets are not shit in this game.  Just get flares and you are good against most players.
they're nowhere near as good as they were in bf2 against ground-targets.
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jord
Member
+2,382|6679|The North, beyond the wall.

Ilocano wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Ilocano wrote:


Jets are not shit in this game.  Just get flares and you are good against most players.
not when the whole time you hear BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP from ground AA. I just got flares unlocks and it does help, but its a huge pain in the ass to fly super high not to get shot by 5 derp engies with AA

especially not on taz's server when we got 3d spotting turned off lol, cant see shit.
Point is infantry AA wasn't getting you.
Even if it isn't the constant beeping is still annoying. I fly the scout heli on davamand all the time and gernally go 15-0 as an average, and even though I know I wont die it's still a ballache listening to it.
FFLink
There is.
+1,380|6691|Devon, England
I rarely get shot down nowadays with a good combo of unlocks, but starting out in a bare-basic jet is fucking hard. Especially now as the game's a bit older, as everyone has access to more shit.

Only thing I feel needs changing is AA armour (lower) and/or the guided missile damage to be higher, or repair times lowered.

That and a longer range for the SOFLAM.

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