BF2S Forums Guns are too accurate now...

ya they were trying to improve realism...  They sure did that by making guns dead-on accurate...

I agree that the PKM is silly now, but I enjoy it   As for the sniper rifles, I found that the M95 used to be just frustrating rather than requiring skill.  I'm not a "noob sniper", I'm not great but I'm better than most (feel free to check my stats).  Sniping effectively still requires skill; I can always tell when my opponent is a good sniper or an amatuer.  Overall, I think the patch is pretty good.  I don't fly choppers so I don't really have anything to complain about.

specops10-4 wrote:

ya they were trying to improve realism...  They sure did that by making guns dead-on accurate...

Last night, I was playing Rambo with the MG36 and PKM, and it worked.   In close combat, the LMG now rules.  BF2 has become Far Cry!!!...

i'm a reasonably good sniper.... and i've got to say loving the patch (although cant unlock that snipe till next rank)... i now have a lot of new prone targets to aim at while the new batch of snipers find some good spots to shoot from.  My only gripe and it's minor is the pkm... it's too damn loud for a start

I do agree that sniping is a LOT more simple now.... which is a shame as i was always proud of breaking into the 100's with a scope.... now it isn't that great an achievement what with the crouch jump impeded, it's more like a duckshoot once you've picked your target at range.

Overall im glad that more people are trying out the snipe class though,  it's much underated and those who say that snipes don't help a team it's just 'coz they don't see all those flag defends or the cp runners pegged.

Nah, the accurate guns just made this game a helluva lot more fun and intense.  Now support guns actually WORK, and we get more folks using that class and actually being worth a damn.

We had a blast last night, fighting tooth and nail for the friggin Marketplace (of ALL caps???) on Karkand.  It was friggin amazing. Bullets, bloood, screaming, man BF2 is a new game.  And its BETTER because of it. 

After we adjust, people are going to probably want to play with a bit more tactics.  I hope.

Ilocano wrote:

Raevin wrote:

The Barret M95 sub 1 MOA and a maximum range of about 1800 meters
The M24 has a sub 1 MOA (as low as .5) and a maximum range of about 800 meters
The L96A1 has reported .25 MOA's and have a range of over 800 meters.

None of these distances will ever be encountered in game and as such a trained sniper (your character is trained, even if you're not) should be able to effectively eliminate his target almost every time...so, I'd say that a 600 meter shot with an M95 by a trained specialist should eliminate the intended target at least 97% of the time.

Most MG's are semi-accurate to within 1000 meters and should be able to effectively place rounds accurately within the limits set in game for view distance.

So...by them resetting the sniper and MG's accuracies, they have actually increased realism

Too bad us snipers can't shoot ingame from 1001 meters away...  I miss my Far Cry days, camping from the other mountain.

Remember the BFV:WW2 MOD Invasion of the Philipines map? The entire map was a giant turkey shoot. Best days of sniping ever, crawling up a mountainside and shooting 500m+ headshots as softies tried to cross the river. Those were the good days.

7h3647h32in6 wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

Raevin wrote:

The Barret M95 sub 1 MOA and a maximum range of about 1800 meters
The M24 has a sub 1 MOA (as low as .5) and a maximum range of about 800 meters
The L96A1 has reported .25 MOA's and have a range of over 800 meters.

None of these distances will ever be encountered in game and as such a trained sniper (your character is trained, even if you're not) should be able to effectively eliminate his target almost every time...so, I'd say that a 600 meter shot with an M95 by a trained specialist should eliminate the intended target at least 97% of the time.

Most MG's are semi-accurate to within 1000 meters and should be able to effectively place rounds accurately within the limits set in game for view distance.

So...by them resetting the sniper and MG's accuracies, they have actually increased realism

Too bad us snipers can't shoot ingame from 1001 meters away...  I miss my Far Cry days, camping from the other mountain.

Remember the BFV:WW2 MOD Invasion of the Philipines map? The entire map was a giant turkey shoot. Best days of sniping ever, crawling up a mountainside and shooting 500m+ headshots as softies tried to cross the river. Those were the good days.

Wake and swimming marines comes close does it not?

All the guns feel the same now that DICE took all the recoil out.

Ilocano wrote:

7h3647h32in6 wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

Too bad us snipers can't shoot ingame from 1001 meters away...  I miss my Far Cry days, camping from the other mountain.

Remember the BFV:WW2 MOD Invasion of the Philipines map? The entire map was a giant turkey shoot. Best days of sniping ever, crawling up a mountainside and shooting 500m+ headshots as softies tried to cross the river. Those were the good days.

Wake and swimming marines comes close does it not?

You're right, though the marines in WW2 didn't swim, they walked really slowly in the water, usually 5-7 in a line, trying to use the bare islands as cover. THOSE good days. ;p

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

LobsterChicken wrote:

Now support guns actually WORK, and we get more folks using that class and actually being worth a damn. After we adjust, people are going to probably want to play with a bit more tactics.  I hope.

Support guns worked before. And what tactics? The tactics of filling out tax forms while on an AA rampage?

qft

Last edited by ishbu (2006-02-16 18:54:55)

Complete realism is irrelevant in online games. Does anybody recall that terrible computer game where you could get tetanus? Horrible...

If they wanted to make the guns realistic, they could have taken a look at trajectories and windage on Delta Force 2, increased the ceiling for jets, make direct grenade-launcher hits just smash into a guy's chest before doing anything like exploding, give C4 and claymores the ability to switch firing modes to a timer, given claymores a remote detonation mode, and given tanks a way to fire through the haze at a spotted location ala BF1942 artillery.

Oh, and don't forget...splash damage on bullets. If you fire a SAW into the dirt at an enemy squad's feet, you should see a whole crap load of dust and fast-moving rock shards flying up into them. That would have been alot cooler than just upping accuracy.

I would have been happy with that.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-02-17 00:35:29)

*ToRRo*cT| wrote:

lol, the sniper in this game looks like a toy, if u want to simulate a sniper rifle you have to put in
Wind, Gravity(bulletdrop), heart rate (how higher it is how more the scopes moves) Lung capacity (holding breath to get the scope remained still for a couple of seconds)

to make it simple i play the game ''Sniper Elite'' and it rocks how the game simulates some real sniper action does anyone else play this game?

I had sniper elite. it rocks.

Anyway I had mastered bullet drop with snipers.........now no bullet drop............so noob snipers can kill too -_-