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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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RAIMIUS wrote:

48 cents a gallon isn't enough?

I agree that federal spending does need to change at a structural level.  Our current commitments are not sustainable without some sort of change.  I'm just wondering why you picked those items.
48 cents a litre would be more like it.

Or you can continue effectively subsidising people to send your dollars abroad, up to you.
A tax on jet fuel would be a start.
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RAIMIUS
You with the face!
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Dilbert_X wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

48 cents a gallon isn't enough?

I agree that federal spending does need to change at a structural level.  Our current commitments are not sustainable without some sort of change.  I'm just wondering why you picked those items.
48 cents a litre would be more like it.

Or you can continue effectively subsidising people to send your dollars abroad, up to you.
A tax on jet fuel would be a start.
What is your intent?  Are you trying to "punish" shipping and airlines, create jobs, or increase tax revenue?
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5597|London, England

RAIMIUS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

48 cents a gallon isn't enough?

I agree that federal spending does need to change at a structural level.  Our current commitments are not sustainable without some sort of change.  I'm just wondering why you picked those items.
48 cents a litre would be more like it.

Or you can continue effectively subsidising people to send your dollars abroad, up to you.
A tax on jet fuel would be a start.
What is your intent?  Are you trying to "punish" shipping and airlines, create jobs, or increase tax revenue?
To troll.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6956

Jay wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


48 cents a litre would be more like it.

Or you can continue effectively subsidising people to send your dollars abroad, up to you.
A tax on jet fuel would be a start.
What is your intent?  Are you trying to "punish" shipping and airlines, create jobs, or increase tax revenue?
To troll.
to create socialist australia.

lol fuel at 1.48 a litre go fuck yourself.

that's paying 5.61 per gallon, no including exchange rate (aussie dollar is higher).
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krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7019|Great Brown North
we're only about .20 behind aus
13urnzz
Banned
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krazed wrote:

we're only about .20 behind aus
do you realize what you just posted?
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
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words?
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

RAIMIUS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

48 cents a gallon isn't enough?

I agree that federal spending does need to change at a structural level.  Our current commitments are not sustainable without some sort of change.  I'm just wondering why you picked those items.
48 cents a litre would be more like it.

Or you can continue effectively subsidising people to send your dollars abroad, up to you.
A tax on jet fuel would be a start.
What is your intent?  Are you trying to "punish" shipping and airlines, create jobs, or increase tax revenue?
No-ones trying to 'punish' anyone, just spread the tax burden away from payroll and tilt the system to discourage wasteful imports.
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Cheeky_Ninja06
Member
+52|6972|Cambridge, England

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:


What is your intent?  Are you trying to "punish" shipping and airlines, create jobs, or increase tax revenue?
To troll.
to create socialist australia.

lol fuel at 1.48 a litre go fuck yourself.

that's paying 5.61 per gallon, no including exchange rate (aussie dollar is higher).
I just paid £1.39 per litre to fill up here in the great UK. I think all of Europe is pretty similar.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6956

Dilbert_X wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


48 cents a litre would be more like it.

Or you can continue effectively subsidising people to send your dollars abroad, up to you.
A tax on jet fuel would be a start.
What is your intent?  Are you trying to "punish" shipping and airlines, create jobs, or increase tax revenue?
No-ones trying to 'punish' anyone, just spread the tax burden away from payroll and tilt the system to discourage wasteful imports.
Yeah coz we aussies are really paying our fair share for clothing, movie tickets, gas, rent, internet and everything! best country ever!
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RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6954|US

Dilbert_X wrote:

tilt the system to discourage wasteful imports.
Yeah, except doing that increases the costs for virtually every manufacturing, transportation, and retail business in the nation!  It "discourages" everything except the extremely local economy.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6650|'Murka

RAIMIUS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

tilt the system to discourage wasteful imports.
Yeah, except doing that increases the costs for virtually every manufacturing, transportation, and retail business in the nation!  It "discourages" everything except the extremely local economy.
Which clearly makes things more "fair" in an extremely globalized world.

Get with the program, RAIMIUS!
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5597|London, England
Efficiency is the most hateful obscenity that can be uttered in the presence of a Luddite.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

RAIMIUS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

tilt the system to discourage wasteful imports.
Yeah, except doing that increases the costs for virtually every manufacturing, transportation, and retail business in the nation!  It "discourages" everything except the extremely local economy.
What it encourages is efficient use of energy, and investment to achieve the same.
That and fuel tax can be very effectively cost neutral as far as companies and the public are concerned - eg tax fuel and return the exact same amount of money as tax breaks for purchase of more efficient vehicles -> which use less imported fuel over their lifetimes which is good for the economy. Or simply return it as company or individual income tax cuts -> consumption would be unaffected.

Jay wrote:

Efficiency is the most hateful obscenity that can be uttered in the presence of a Luddite.
Problem is, you're the Luddite on this subject.
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

tilt the system to discourage wasteful imports.
Yeah, except doing that increases the costs for virtually every manufacturing, transportation, and retail business in the nation!  It "discourages" everything except the extremely local economy.
Which clearly makes things more "fair" in an extremely globalized world.

Get with the program, RAIMIUS!
Its not about 'fair', its about tackling your trade deficit and preparing for when fuel prices really do skyrocket.
Fuck Israel
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6650|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:


Yeah, except doing that increases the costs for virtually every manufacturing, transportation, and retail business in the nation!  It "discourages" everything except the extremely local economy.
Which clearly makes things more "fair" in an extremely globalized world.

Get with the program, RAIMIUS!
Its not about 'fair', its about tackling your trade deficit and preparing for when fuel prices really do skyrocket.
By astronomically increasing the cost of everything, to include goods and services produced relatively nearby?

Do you even understand the concept and/or reality of globalized markets?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5597|London, England

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:


Which clearly makes things more "fair" in an extremely globalized world.

Get with the program, RAIMIUS!
Its not about 'fair', its about tackling your trade deficit and preparing for when fuel prices really do skyrocket.
By astronomically increasing the cost of everything, to include goods and services produced relatively nearby?

Do you even understand the concept and/or reality of globalized markets?
He doesn't care about reality. Oil is evil and we must destroy ourselves in order to wean our population off of it. He's stated quite clearly in the past that he thinks the world is overpopulated. Forcing the world off oil would force population decline (via famine). He kills two birds with one stone.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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Hurricane2k9
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THINK ITS TIME OBAMA DID SOMETHIN FOR HIS PEOPLE, REPAIRATIONS WOULD B A GUD START OR IS HE A TOM????
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Spearhead
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

THINK ITS TIME OBAMA DID SOMETHIN FOR HIS PEOPLE, REPAIRATIONS WOULD B A GUD START OR IS HE A TOM????
Fix ur damn caps lock u noob lolz
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6954|US

Dilbert_X wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

tilt the system to discourage wasteful imports.
Yeah, except doing that increases the costs for virtually every manufacturing, transportation, and retail business in the nation!  It "discourages" everything except the extremely local economy.
What it encourages is efficient use of energy, and investment to achieve the same.
That and fuel tax can be very effectively cost neutral as far as companies and the public are concerned - eg tax fuel and return the exact same amount of money as tax breaks for purchase of more efficient vehicles -> which use less imported fuel over their lifetimes which is good for the economy. Or simply return it as company or individual income tax cuts -> consumption would be unaffected.
That assumes the government can A. track the economy with high precision, B. evaluate the factors influencing decisions accurately, C. determine the appropriate "equal" in tax breaks/returns, D. properly budget for such subsidies, E. efficiently distribute those subsidies, and F. continually do all of the above in a constantly changing marketplace...
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:

By astronomically increasing the cost of everything, to include goods and services produced relatively nearby?
Already explained it, there would be no additional costs - except for dinosaur industries which are better off replaced.

Jay wrote:

He doesn't care about reality. Oil is evil and we must destroy ourselves in order to wean our population off of it. He's stated quite clearly in the past that he thinks the world is overpopulated. Forcing the world off oil would force population decline (via famine). He kills two birds with one stone.
Oil is going to run out in your lifetime - whats your plan genius?

In the meantime do you really want to continue sending your dollars abroad, in the process crippling your own economy, and to fund third world fundamentalist Islam?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-09-17 22:00:03)

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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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RAIMIUS wrote:

That assumes the government can A. track the economy with high precision, B. evaluate the factors influencing decisions accurately, C. determine the appropriate "equal" in tax breaks/returns, D. properly budget for such subsidies, E. efficiently distribute those subsidies, and F. continually do all of the above in a constantly changing marketplace...
Whats the alternative, let the free-market come up with a plan?

Most CEOs don't think further than the next quarter's stock options, do you think they'll have a plan for when oil is gone and the economy is sunk?
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