Rick Perry, Republican Presidential candidate

2011-12-11 11:46:39

#301

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6254|...

Jay wrote:
Quite the opposite. I think the Iraq campaign was conducted well, even with the glaring mistake of assuming the population would welcome us with open arms and immediately transition to democracy without our military needing to serve as a police force. They missed the boat there.

Nope, my problem is with the invasion as a whole. We should not have gone there at all.

I can't see how going to Iraq was the wrong thing to do, but we've gone over this many times by now so let's just leave it at that.

I want our military shrunk down to perhaps 100,000 people on active duty. I want the hawks to have their favorite toy taken away from them. They aren't god, they don't get to choose who lives and who dies from the safety of their living room.

Jay wrote:
Hardly. As long as there is some form of judicial oversight that punishes negative actions between individuals it works quite well. Punish theft, fraud, assault, and the like, and you have enough order to allow business to thrive. Greek 'guest right', nothing more. I don't need people telling me what I can eat, or drink, or smoke. That people have such power is because of your desire for order.

You need some degree of order to have a properly functioning society, we can agree on that - my point wasn't about dictating your daily life, it's about the need for order. The international society needs rules and regulation to function just the same and, at times, these need to be enforced. We are connected economically and thus socially, it is impossible to seperate the two. At times, we have a moral obligation to intervene. Standing by and doing nothing while you have the power to do something is hideously selfish, not to mention that it might just help protect trade - stopping Saddam from taking over Kuwait kept the oil price from skyrocketing while at the same time you held at bay a power hungry dictator. There's no wrongdoing in that, as there is none in protecting trading vessels from being attacked by Somali pirates and the like.

In addition, we were left with the legacy of the WW2 generation. A larger international community which stands by eachother is the way forward. Undoing that would mean going backwards.

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2011-12-11 12:55:42

#302

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6665|'Murka

Jay wrote:
Shocking wrote:
I'm confused, what is this about?

Jay wrote:
If people don't want to enter into trade negotiations with us, threatening them with war is not the answer, not even of last resort. It's their own loss.
If it's this

I don't think that threatening war for trade would even work in today's world, nor has it been tried for obvious reasons.
FEOS, in another thread, was trying to justify the massive US military expenditures by saying that our diplomats need the might of the military in negotiations. If your arguments can't stand up without the threat of force, they aren't good arguments.

I made no such argument. I said a military was required to support aspects of diplomacy (as a counter to Uzique's argument against a standing military at all), as part of the integrated employment of the instruments of national power.

And then you went off the fucking deep end.

Again...read the posts involved.

In order for our military (in totality) to be taken down to 100,000 on active duty, the National Security Strategy would have to be radically redrawn. And that starts at the White House, not at the Pentagon. Oh, and has to be signed off by the Congress and every other agency out there, as well. The Pentagon just responds to it.

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2011-12-11 13:14:59

#303

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6725

Jay wrote:
Chaos is how we as a people get better. Order leads to stagnation and intellectual death.

reading your grandiose philosopher-talk bullshit causes me intellectual death

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2011-12-11 14:00:19

#304

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6846

Jay wrote:
Chaos is how we as a people get better. Order leads to stagnation and intellectual death.

Uzique wrote:
reading your grandiose philosopher-talk bullshit causes me intellectual death

Why, it doesn't get you wet?!

2011-12-11 14:16:19

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Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6725

it certainly doesn't. i prefer it when he sticks to his exegetical discourses on hegel, rather than when he forms his own aphorisms

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2011-12-11 22:31:06

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-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5728|Ventura, California

He's the last true Christian running for president this year.

Guess he gets my vote.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2011-12-11 22:39:22

#307

Doctor Strangelove: Real Battlefield Veterinarian.; +1,758|6723

As opposed to all the other fake Christian. They only believe in Jesus because it's cool.

2011-12-11 23:09:00

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krazed: Admiral of the Bathtub; +619|7034|Great Brown North

Doctor Strangelove wrote:
As opposed to all the other fake Christian. They only believe in Jesus because it's cool.

well he does hate them fags, and dinosaurs are satans work

so yep real christian

2011-12-11 23:20:45

#309

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6360|eXtreme to the maX

-Sh1fty- wrote:
He's the last true Christian running for president this year.

Guess he gets my vote.

None of them are true Christians, they're all rich for one thing.

Fuck Israel

2011-12-12 00:26:15

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-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5728|Ventura, California

Against abortion, against homosexuality, against evolution, pro small government, doesn't seem like a pussy as far as defense goes, etc.

That'll do it for me. The man seems to have common sense so even if he isn't the brightest in every sector, as nobody is perfect, I'm sure he'll get the advice and info needed from his Cabinet.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2011-12-12 00:28:22

#311

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6754|so randum

oh lordy

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2011-12-12 00:32:06

#312

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6971

-Sh1fty- wrote:
Against abortion, against homosexuality, against evolution, pro small government, doesn't seem like a pussy as far as defense goes, etc.

That'll do it for me. The man seems to have common sense so even if he isn't the brightest in every sector, as nobody is perfect, I'm sure he'll get the advice and info needed from his Cabinet.

so how is he pro small government if he wants to gov to legislate against abortion and homosexuality?

I don't get the whole abortion issue in the states, haven't rednecks ever heard of Roe vs. Wade?

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2011-12-12 00:40:54

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-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5728|Ventura, California

I'm very familiar with the case.

53,000,000+ babies have been murdered since. We are not to say who can and cannot live because of our irresponsibility or selfishness.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2011-12-12 00:44:14

#314

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6754|so randum

i suppose being raped is irresponsibility or selfishness.

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2011-12-12 00:50:49

#315

krazed: Admiral of the Bathtub; +619|7034|Great Brown North

FatherTed wrote:
i suppose being raped is irresponsibility or selfishness.

well if they weren't sluts they wouldn't be in that position

god hates them too

2011-12-12 00:54:44

#316

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6407|what

FatherTed wrote:
i suppose being raped is irresponsibility or selfishness.

Rape isn't anywhere in the 10 commandments.

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." is however.

2011-12-12 01:07:29

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Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6254|...

-Sh1fty- wrote:
Against abortion, against homosexuality, against evolution, pro small government,

-Sh1fty- wrote:
common sense

oh it's natural to hate gay people and be ignorant of science because a book told you to

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2011-12-12 02:01:03

#318

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6971

yeah if a woman is raped she should marry her rapist amirite.

2011-12-12 02:05:50

#319

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6254|...

"What a hero! The courage it takes in this day and age to admit that you are a Christian? Few of us can even imagine such fortitude. As you probably know, Christians these days are just super scared of admitting that they are Christian and that’s why you know who all the Jews and Muslims are, because of racism the American Defeatist, Barack “Hussein” “War on Christmas” Obama (who is also the mastermind behind the separation of Church and State) but have you ever met a Christian in real life? Probably not. I read all about it in The Newspaper. It is particularly impressive of Rick Perry to start off with how he is a Christian and then IMMEDIATELY spout off some of the most hateful bigotry ever seen in a political campaign ad. BOOM! CLASSIC! GOD IS SMILING DOWN UPON THIS WONDERFUL MAN! He’s definitely got my vote. When God closes a Herman Cain, he opens a Rick Perry."

sums it up quite well

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2011-12-12 02:11:58

#320

KuSTaV: noice; +947|6766|Gold Coast

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noice

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2011-12-12 02:18:37

#321

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6254|...

If only he were

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2011-12-12 03:34:46

#322

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6360|eXtreme to the maX

-Sh1fty- wrote:
Against abortion, against homosexuality, against evolution, pro small government, doesn't seem like a pussy as far as defense goes, etc.

Yup, Rick Perry is a true Christian.

Fuck Israel

2011-12-12 03:38:09

#323

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7026|PNW

Cybargs wrote:
yeah if a woman is raped she should marry her rapist amirite.

No, she should cast herself into a ravine. Don't you know anything about religion?

2011-12-12 03:38:58

#324

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6360|eXtreme to the maX

Pretty sure she should be stoned to death along with the rapist.

Fuck Israel

2011-12-12 05:58:25

#325

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5840

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