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I thought this was the more interesting part

I should here admit that I have been arrested for criminal damage for my part in anti-capitalist protest earlier in this decade. I often attended protests and then, in my early 20s, and on drugs, I enjoyed it when the protests lost direction and became chaotic, hostile even. I was intrigued by the anarchist "Black bloc", hooded and masked, as, in retrospect, was their agenda, but was more viscerally affected by the football "casuals" who'd turn up because the veneer of the protest's idealistic objective gave them the perfect opportunity to wreck stuff and have a row with the Old Bill.

Its not as if this is new.

Politicians and bankers are just different aspects of the same venality, scum are scum, whether they weasel themselves into a plum job or not.
There's a general selfishness and lack of society at all levels of Britain now, not just the hoodies and middle class yobs on the streets.

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

lowing wrote:

how the fuck can you be down and out at 17 years old?. WHat kinda fuckin jobs do they expect at that age?  their asses should be in school..You do boast of free fuckin university right?

Really kind of pisses me off to listen to you actually rationalize and justify burning down OTHER peoples lives because you are 17 and no one is handing you enough free shit in your eyes

If you call £9,000 a year free university then I guess so.

Another enlightened contribution there.

Then feel free to correct your fellow socialists not me. They are the ones that post that shit.

lowing wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

lowing wrote:

how the fuck can you be down and out at 17 years old?. WHat kinda fuckin jobs do they expect at that age?  their asses should be in school..You do boast of free fuckin university right?

Really kind of pisses me off to listen to you actually rationalize and justify burning down OTHER peoples lives because you are 17 and no one is handing you enough free shit in your eyes

If you call £9,000 a year free university then I guess so.

Another enlightened contribution there.

Then feel free to correct your fellow socialists not me. They are the ones that post that shit.

Unfortunately it was your repetitive posting I was attracted to particularly as it seemed to be the main evidence of your argument. I freely admit I was not present when my "fellow socialists" were posting shite.

9000 pounds is a recent change though, isn't it? And aren't there all sorts of gov. programs someone who's really poor can tap into so that they can attend university?

To a point. Tuition fees have been on the up for a number of years. Once the recession hit the government saw it as an easy way to save billions.

In a nutshell you are charged 9k per annum but you also get a government load (that attracts interest etc) that you can take out to cover all of your fees while you are at uni. Projected debt from a 3 year course is now in excess of £50k which becomes payable as soon as you start earning and is taken straight from your salary. As with everything else in this country buy now, pay for the rest of your life

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Shocking wrote:

Then it is just as it is over here. You can spread out the loan over almost your entire working life, more than easy enough to pay it back that way.

You dont get to choose how quickly you pay it back it works as a tax code. Still point is that £50k debt =/= free.

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

Shocking wrote:

Then it is just as it is over here. You can spread out the loan over almost your entire working life, more than easy enough to pay it back that way.

You dont get to choose how quickly you pay it back it works as a tax code. Still point is that £50k debt =/= free.

It's only fair.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I thought this was the more interesting part

Its not as if this is new.

Politicians and bankers are just different aspects of the same venality, scum are scum, whether they weasel themselves into a plum job or not.
There's a general selfishness and lack of society at all levels of Britain now[1], not just the hoodies and middle class yobs on the streets.

Needs citation.

Riots
Near collapse of the banking system
Sovereign debt issues
Take a look at almost any modern politican.

So you are using the riots as proof that the riots aren't a new phenomena.

Well played.

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

If you call £9,000 a year free university then I guess so.

Another enlightened contribution there.

Then feel free to correct your fellow socialists not me. They are the ones that post that shit.

Unfortunately it was your repetitive posting I was attracted to particularly as it seemed to be the main evidence of your argument. I freely admit I was not present when my "fellow socialists" were posting shite.

9000 pounds is a recent change though, isn't it? And aren't there all sorts of gov. programs someone who's really poor can tap into so that they can attend university?

To a point. Tuition fees have been on the up for a number of years. Once the recession hit the government saw it as an easy way to save billions.

In a nutshell you are charged 9k per annum but you also get a government load (that attracts interest etc) that you can take out to cover all of your fees while you are at uni. Projected debt from a 3 year course is now in excess of £50k which becomes payable as soon as you start earning and is taken straight from your salary. As with everything else in this country buy now, pay for the rest of your life

you mean your govt. is not handing out free college!!?? Well shit, no wonder they rioted, who is gunna take care of them if not the govt.?

AussieReaper wrote:

Because higher education should go to only those who can afford it, right?

no it should only go to those with enough ambition to want it, have enough motivation to and determination to pursue it and is willing to work for it.

I know I know, some pretty strange words mixed in there. Some those assholes never heard of.

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Because higher education should go to only those who can afford it, right?

no it should only go to those with enough ambition to want it, have enough motivation to and determination to pursue it and is willing to work for it.

I know I know, some pretty strange words mixed in there. Some those assholes never heard of.

Or whose mummy and daddy can pay for it. right?

Oh is this where you spout off about what is fair and what isn't fair?

So what if mommy and daddy pays for their kids education. Are you actually trying to argue that those same parents should pay for a total strangers education as well?

Ya see, when you work and build wealth you can afford to pay for your kids education. Pretty much one of the reason people work, to provide for THEIR family, not yours.

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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Because higher education should go to only those who can afford it, right?

no it should only go to those with enough ambition to want it, have enough motivation to and determination to pursue it and is willing to work for it.

I know I know, some pretty strange words mixed in there. Some those assholes never heard of.

I don't see how government funded education removes any of the above.

ya don't see the difference between working for an achievement and have one handed to you? Why is it the govts. job, and not yours to educate your sorry ass? Especially when apparently the govt. can longer afford to do so.

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lowing wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

no it should only go to those with enough ambition to want it, have enough motivation to and determination to pursue it and is willing to work for it.

I know I know, some pretty strange words mixed in there. Some those assholes never heard of.

Or whose mummy and daddy can pay for it. right?

Oh is this where you spout off about what is fair and what isn't fair?

So what if mommy and daddy pays for their kids education. Are you actually trying to argue that those same parents should pay for a total strangers education as well?

Ya see, when you work and build wealth you can afford to pay for your kids education. Pretty much one of the reason people work, to provide for THEIR family, not yours.

Ah so it's only about ambition, motivation and determination if you're poor. If you're parents are rich then you can go anyway.

Try not to contradict yourself too much lowing.

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Or whose mummy and daddy can pay for it. right?

Oh is this where you spout off about what is fair and what isn't fair?

So what if mommy and daddy pays for their kids education. Are you actually trying to argue that those same parents should pay for a total strangers education as well?

Ya see, when you work and build wealth you can afford to pay for your kids education. Pretty much one of the reason people work, to provide for THEIR family, not yours.

Ah so it's only about ambition, motivation and determination if you're poor. If you're parents are rich then you can go anyway.

Try not to contradict yourself too much lowing.

Didn't say that. I said life isn't always fair. Some might have to work harder than others to attain their goals. Tough shit.

I am also saying it is none of your business what mommy and daddy do with their money. It is after all, THEIR money and not yours.

Heavens for fuckin bid if loving parents want to help their kids out. Stop being such a hater with your wealth envy. Maybe they should have their EARNED income removed from them to be equally distributed to the rest of you? Is that what you are advocating? No wait!! don't answer that!!

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Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Ah so it's only about ambition, motivation and determination if you're poor. If you're parents are rich then you can go anyway.

Try not to contradict yourself too much lowing.

Didn't say that. I said life isn't always fair. Some might have to work harder than others to attain their goals. Tough shit.

I am also saying it is none of your business what mommy and daddy do with their money. It is after all, THEIR money and not yours.

Heavens for fuckin bid if loving parents want to help their kids out. Stop being such a hater with your wealth envy.

I'm not saying parents shouldn't help their kids out. I never said that.

I was simply pointing out the contradiction between you saying that people should require ambition, motivation and determination to go to university, and then you said that parents paying for their kids university is fine.

Do you honestly think that someone who has their parents pay for university has any more ambition, motivation and determination than someone who takes a loan from the government to do university?

Nope, some people simply require more of it if they want to make it. As I said life isn't fair. Tough shit. There is no contraction. There are 100's of avenues one can take to achieve their goals. Some are harder roads to travel than others. That is life. Just because you have a tougher road than someone else is no reason to burn down their business, or loot their stores. All that was accomplished was on top of being fuckin losers, they are also criminals. Congrats.