You talking bout the sino-viet war of the 1970s? I was more thinking bout the old dynasty days. What I'm getting at is the Chinese would not likely try to expand their borders.Spark wrote:
Vietnam disagreesCybargs wrote:
Historically China never really expanded beyond its borders (Mongolian Yuan Dynasty don't count, they're not Chinese lel). China always focused a lot more on commerce.
I agree with the second part but off the top of my head I rememberCybargs wrote:
You talking bout the sino-viet war of the 1970s? I was more thinking bout the old dynasty days. What I'm getting at is the Chinese would not likely try to expand their borders.Spark wrote:
Vietnam disagreesCybargs wrote:
Historically China never really expanded beyond its borders (Mongolian Yuan Dynasty don't count, they're not Chinese lel). China always focused a lot more on commerce.
Sino-Viet war was more just to put vietnam in it's place, it wasn't expansionism.Cybargs wrote:
You talking bout the sino-viet war of the 1970s? I was more thinking bout the old dynasty days. What I'm getting at is the Chinese would not likely try to expand their borders.Spark wrote:
Vietnam disagreesCybargs wrote:
Historically China never really expanded beyond its borders (Mongolian Yuan Dynasty don't count, they're not Chinese lel). China always focused a lot more on commerce.
Then Taiwan was ceded to the Japanese from 1895, and after WW2 all Japanese territory was under allied control afaik. But the whole issue of Taiwan is simply because of the KMT fleeing to Taiwan, nothing more and nothing less. Taiwan started out as a Spanish and Dutch trading post anyway lol.rdx-fx wrote:
Historically, China sees itself as the true center of Asia. The last 200 years of China not being a world superpower? A minor aberration in a 10,000 year history.
It isn't aggression - its their rightful place in the world. To their perspective.
And Taiwan was forcibly removed from China by English "gunboat diplomacy" a couple hundred years ago, if I recall my history correctly.
To American eyes, that makes it independent - to Chinese eyes, that makes it a wayward province that needs to be reunited with the parent country.
AFAIK AFAIK AFAIKCybargs wrote:
Then Taiwan was ceded to the Japanese from 1895, and after WW2 all Japanese territory was under allied control afaik. But the whole issue of Taiwan is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_und … .281895.29jord wrote:
AFAIK AFAIK AFAIKCybargs wrote:
Then Taiwan was ceded to the Japanese from 1895, and after WW2 all Japanese territory was under allied control afaik. But the whole issue of Taiwan is
it isnt a legitimate defence to being wrong and just guessing.
STOP
happy now.The Treaty of Taipei between Japan and the Republic of China acknowledged the terms of the San Francisco Treaty but added that all residents of Taiwan and the Pescadores were nationals of the Republic of China.
see thread in eeCybargs wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_und … .281895.29jord wrote:
AFAIK AFAIK AFAIKCybargs wrote:
Then Taiwan was ceded to the Japanese from 1895, and after WW2 all Japanese territory was under allied control afaik. But the whole issue of Taiwan is
it isnt a legitimate defence to being wrong and just guessing.
STOP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_ … and_Taiwanhappy now.The Treaty of Taipei between Japan and the Republic of China acknowledged the terms of the San Francisco Treaty but added that all residents of Taiwan and the Pescadores were nationals of the Republic of China.
Get a guidance system on this baby, and who the heck needs torpedos.Cybargs wrote:
Unleash the Iowa once again.
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supercavitating torpedos of doom-Sh1fty- wrote:
Get a guidance system on this baby, and who the heck needs torpedos.Cybargs wrote:
Unleash the Iowa once again.
You sure about that? The relationship between the US and China isn't hostile sure but you're not exactly all that friendly with eachother either.FEOS wrote:
Zero threat. Wouldn't be surprised if we ended up doing joint exercises with them once it goes operational.
People love to point to China and say "holy shit a communist country now has an aircraft carrier!" while the US has about a dozen. These are floating cities worth billions of dollars. The US is not going to fold and neither are they, the only reason China is an economic powerhouse lately is because we let them become one. Whether or not its good for us domestically is up for debate...Shocking wrote:
You sure about that? The relationship between the US and China isn't hostile sure but you're not exactly all that friendly with eachother either.FEOS wrote:
Zero threat. Wouldn't be surprised if we ended up doing joint exercises with them once it goes operational.
There are three distinct aspects to the US-Chinese relationship: economic, military, and diplomatic. Of course the military is watching and is concerned about the pace of Chinese military modernization--particularly because they historically underreport their defense expenditures. But the ability of China to project and sustain force over distance simply isn't there, and thus doesn't pose a threat...even with a single aircraft carrier. Of far greater concern is the economic relationship. And both have to be nurtured by the diplomatic relationship.Shocking wrote:
You sure about that? The relationship between the US and China isn't hostile sure but you're not exactly all that friendly with eachother either.FEOS wrote:
Zero threat. Wouldn't be surprised if we ended up doing joint exercises with them once it goes operational.
Way to be boring feos. lol. Are you into international studies by any chance?FEOS wrote:
There are three distinct aspects to the US-Chinese relationship: economic, military, and diplomatic. Of course the military is watching and is concerned about the pace of Chinese military modernization--particularly because they historically underreport their defense expenditures. But the ability of China to project and sustain force over distance simply isn't there, and thus doesn't pose a threat...even with a single aircraft carrier. Of far greater concern is the economic relationship. And both have to be nurtured by the diplomatic relationship.
I realise that at present the threat is non-existant, but I'm doubtful as to whether the US military would want to engage in joint excersises with the Chinese. As you said, their current stance is one of caution - as it is on the political side of things. There are many issues with China concerning domestic and foreign policy which are hard for us to accept or ignore (Tibet, Taiwan, accusations of China keeping the Yuan artificially low to name a few).FEOS wrote:
There are three distinct aspects to the US-Chinese relationship: economic, military, and diplomatic. Of course the military is watching and is concerned about the pace of Chinese military modernization--particularly because they historically underreport their defense expenditures. But the ability of China to project and sustain force over distance simply isn't there, and thus doesn't pose a threat...even with a single aircraft carrier. Of far greater concern is the economic relationship. And both have to be nurtured by the diplomatic relationship.Shocking wrote:
You sure about that? The relationship between the US and China isn't hostile sure but you're not exactly all that friendly with eachother either.FEOS wrote:
Zero threat. Wouldn't be surprised if we ended up doing joint exercises with them once it goes operational.
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San Diego. USS Midway tour.jord wrote:
I'd quite like to see an aircraft carrier of that size. Explore it and shit.
I can always remember being down in Portsmouth visiting family while the 50th anniversary of D-Day celebrations were on. Got to go aboard HMS Invincible which was big enough, but USS JFK was there, that fucker was so big it couldn't even fit in the harbour, was just sat there like a couple miles out and still looked fookin MASSIVE.jord wrote:
I'd quite like to see an aircraft carrier of that size. Explore it and shit.
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