and a Constitutional Amendment does not figure into any of this.Jay wrote:
The only thing I disagree with is the Republican insistance of forcing the issue to come back just in time for the election.
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me13urnzz wrote:
and a Constitutional Amendment does not figure into any of this.Jay wrote:
The only thing I disagree with is the Republican insistance of forcing the issue to come back just in time for the election.
The primary is calling Jay, you'd make a nice delegate.
Which is why the Republicans want to raise the ceiling till around the time of the next election, and the Dems want to raise it for well beyond then for exactly the same reason.Jay wrote:
Most of the Dems cuts are fictitious. The only thing I disagree with is the Republican insistance of forcing the issue to come back just in time for the election. That's just politicking at the expense of the country. On the other hand, Obama shouldn't be allowed to skate by without it being the pressing and important issue that it is.13urnzz wrote:
you have dems putting cuts on the table, repubs putting hot air in the room - yeah, Jay is no libertarian. go vote in the primary Jay, you*ve earned it.Jay wrote:
Because the situation is clearly not one sided. Neither of them is willing to compromise.
This fight isn't about taxes or cuts, it's a fight over a campaign issue the Dems are terrified of facing because they know when pressed they will have to admit they are going to raise taxes if reelected. That's it. It's politics, and neither side is innocent.
QFT.Jaekus wrote:
You can't trust either of them, yet there's no one else to turn to.
Wtf are you talking about? What opinion were you expecting from me?13urnzz wrote:
QFT.Jaekus wrote:
You can't trust either of them, yet there's no one else to turn to.
our resident Libertarian turns out to be a sheep in wolves clothing.
Pretty much.Kmar wrote:
"AP sources say there's been significant progress toward debt deal between White House and GOP"
I think it's going down something like this "We're all going to burn.. lez do sumtin"
actually yes.. and for the most part they really aren't educated (financially). Not formally at least.AussieReaper wrote:
Are those who were saying that you should have let Wall St fail and no bailouts also calling for similar to happen re the debt ceiling?
A lot of the lies in the way the media has represented the issue. They don't quite know the outcomes of default.Kmar wrote:
actually yes.. and for the most part they really aren't educated (financially). Not formally at least.AussieReaper wrote:
Are those who were saying that you should have let Wall St fail and no bailouts also calling for similar to happen re the debt ceiling?
I'm annoyed by people who are apparently so passionate about things they know very little about, truly.
Tea partiers are betting on a credit downgrade no matter what happens.AussieReaper wrote:
A lot of the lies in the way the media has represented the issue. They don't quite know the outcomes of default.Kmar wrote:
actually yes.. and for the most part they really aren't educated (financially). Not formally at least.AussieReaper wrote:
Are those who were saying that you should have let Wall St fail and no bailouts also calling for similar to happen re the debt ceiling?
I'm annoyed by people who are apparently so passionate about things they know very little about, truly.
14th Amendment might prevent it. But that's a big might. The validity has to be assessed and I don't know how it is determined.Kmar wrote:
Tea partiers are betting on a credit downgrade no matter what happens.AussieReaper wrote:
A lot of the lies in the way the media has represented the issue. They don't quite know the outcomes of default.Kmar wrote:
actually yes.. and for the most part they really aren't educated (financially). Not formally at least.
I'm annoyed by people who are apparently so passionate about things they know very little about, truly.
Not the worst bet tbh.Kmar wrote:
Tea partiers are betting on a credit downgrade no matter what happens.AussieReaper wrote:
A lot of the lies in the way the media has represented the issue. They don't quite know the outcomes of default.Kmar wrote:
actually yes.. and for the most part they really aren't educated (financially). Not formally at least.
I'm annoyed by people who are apparently so passionate about things they know very little about, truly.
You're assuming there are good guys.Macbeth wrote:
I haven't been keeping up with this has much as I should have so my knowledge of what has been going on is a bit shakey. From what I understand of where we are right now- The Reid plan increases the debt ceiling by 2.4 trillion and makes an equal amount in cuts but doesn't reform entitlements and doesn't increase revenue at all. The Boehner plan increases the ceiling by a little over 1 trillion and adds a balanced budget amendment.
If my understanding of things is correct- how the hell could the republicans claim to be serious about this? A balanced budget amendment wouldn't work at all since it wouldn't allow for disasters, wars, and other emergency spending that the country may have to make. There is also zero chance any amendment will get the amount of states needed to ratify any changes to the constitution. And even if there was enough state support for it, there isn't enough time between now and Tuesday to get it done.
So how are the republicans not the bad guys here?
True, but using it to rationalize a complete failure (as some are) is dumb.Spark wrote:
Not the worst bet tbh.Kmar wrote:
Tea partiers are betting on a credit downgrade no matter what happens.AussieReaper wrote:
A lot of the lies in the way the media has represented the issue. They don't quite know the outcomes of default.
I know what you meant. It doesn't exactly feel fair to rail all up and down against one side when the other sides is chock-full of petulant, incompetent chumps too.Macbeth wrote:
/unamused face
You know what I meant.
Tell me I didn't call most this shit in the op. They've been testing the water since then.Macbeth wrote:
So how are the republicans not the bad guys here?