not sure 4chan counts either. you ever been outside of aussieland?AussieReaper wrote:
Oh obviously I get all my political opinions from watching the political commentary from another countries comedian. Good one, chief.Jay wrote:
Nah, I don't watch much political tv. You however, get all your opinions from them. You are the liberal version of lowing and his bill o'reilly.AussieReaper wrote:
Good thing you have those two to know what you should be against.
Ya lost me, do you honestly think that the police do not "call in" the person they are encountering regardless of race sex religion etc...A cop knows all about you ( or rather the person the car is registered to) before they get out of their car.Dilbert_X wrote:
Do the Police ask people to prove they haven't committed any other crimes when they're pulled over or is it just immigration?
Stopping people because they're suspects in one crime and then requiring they prove they haven't committed another crime for which the officer has no evidence they have is bizarre and runs against most principles of natural law.
Quick, change the subject to what countries I've visited.11 Bravo wrote:
not sure 4chan counts either. you ever been outside of aussieland?AussieReaper wrote:
Oh obviously I get all my political opinions from watching the political commentary from another countries comedian. Good one, chief.Jay wrote:
Nah, I don't watch much political tv. You however, get all your opinions from them. You are the liberal version of lowing and his bill o'reilly.
have you? its a valid question.AussieReaper wrote:
Quick, change the subject to what countries I've visited.11 Bravo wrote:
not sure 4chan counts either. you ever been outside of aussieland?AussieReaper wrote:
Oh obviously I get all my political opinions from watching the political commentary from another countries comedian. Good one, chief.
Must be awesome to be able to do that when chasing a stolen vehicle.lowing wrote:
Ya lost me, do you honestly think that the police do not "call in" the person they are encountering regardless of race sex religion etc...A cop knows all about you ( or rather the person the car is registered to) before they get out of their car.Dilbert_X wrote:
Do the Police ask people to prove they haven't committed any other crimes when they're pulled over or is it just immigration?
Stopping people because they're suspects in one crime and then requiring they prove they haven't committed another crime for which the officer has no evidence they have is bizarre and runs against most principles of natural law.
quick change the subject to the USAussieReaper wrote:
Must be awesome to be able to do that when chasing a stolen vehicle.lowing wrote:
Ya lost me, do you honestly think that the police do not "call in" the person they are encountering regardless of race sex religion etc...A cop knows all about you ( or rather the person the car is registered to) before they get out of their car.Dilbert_X wrote:
Do the Police ask people to prove they haven't committed any other crimes when they're pulled over or is it just immigration?
Stopping people because they're suspects in one crime and then requiring they prove they haven't committed another crime for which the officer has no evidence they have is bizarre and runs against most principles of natural law.
Come on, you can do better than that, surely? Why not attack my age, since you've obviously seen more and done more with your years of experience to counter my mid 20's.11 Bravo wrote:
have you? its a valid question.AussieReaper wrote:
Quick, change the subject to what countries I've visited.11 Bravo wrote:
not sure 4chan counts either. you ever been outside of aussieland?
Why not ask if I'm married too, cause that's gotta count for something...
does 4chan have a news feed?AussieReaper wrote:
Come on, you can do better than that, surely? Why not attack my age, since you've obviously seen more and done more with your years of experience to counter my mid 20's.11 Bravo wrote:
have you? its a valid question.AussieReaper wrote:
Quick, change the subject to what countries I've visited.
Why not ask if I'm married too, cause that's gotta count for something...
Funnily enough, you parrot the Democrat Party line in every thread. Either that's a coincidence, or what I said is the truth. Occam's Razor.AussieReaper wrote:
Oh obviously I get all my political opinions from watching the political commentary from another countries comedian. Good one, chief.Jay wrote:
Nah, I don't watch much political tv. You however, get all your opinions from them. You are the liberal version of lowing and his bill o'reilly.AussieReaper wrote:
Good thing you have those two to know what you should be against.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Hey I watch Maddow, Stewart, and O'Reilly every day John. I like each of their shows for different reasons.
Or maybe I'm a... communist! dun dun dun!Jay wrote:
Funnily enough, you parrot the Democrat Party line in every thread. Either that's a coincidence, or what I said is the truth. Occam's Razor.AussieReaper wrote:
Oh obviously I get all my political opinions from watching the political commentary from another countries comedian. Good one, chief.Jay wrote:
Nah, I don't watch much political tv. You however, get all your opinions from them. You are the liberal version of lowing and his bill o'reilly.
im thinking of a different c word tbhAussieReaper wrote:
Or maybe I'm a... communist! dun dun dun!Jay wrote:
Funnily enough, you parrot the Democrat Party line in every thread. Either that's a coincidence, or what I said is the truth. Occam's Razor.AussieReaper wrote:
Oh obviously I get all my political opinions from watching the political commentary from another countries comedian. Good one, chief.
Defintely so.Spark wrote:
Could be. Racism is very much alive and well in this country.Macbeth wrote:
With all due respect, that's a lame backtrack.Spark wrote:
I was only confirming the last sentence of his post, to clarify the actual law itself. I don't actually know what the Arizona law does in detail.
I'm not particularly interested in getting dragged into little games, tbh
FEOs is right though, the laws are similar and both have room for abuse.
Considering some of the things I have read about ethnic relations in AUS, it seems the bill, like the one in Arizona, is the right thing to pass but is popular for the wrong reasons.
Earlier I had a FB convo with someone I know. He was promoting the FB page "Ban the Burqa in Australia". The argument there is the freedom of speech and they have the right to peacefully protest as we live in a deomcracy. I pointed out that whilst it is your right to protest, banning people from wearing an article of dress ANYWHERE in public just beause you don't like it is denying their democractic right to wear what they want. He was good enough to see how this doesn't really work and I know he's not a racist person, though in the past I have thought he's a little borderline about it. Unfortunately there will be those who will see this issue as a platform to express anti Islamic sentiment in a fairly blunt manner.
WAH WAH QQ11 Bravo wrote:
im thinking of a different c word tbhAussieReaper wrote:
Or maybe I'm a... communist! dun dun dun!Jay wrote:
Funnily enough, you parrot the Democrat Party line in every thread. Either that's a coincidence, or what I said is the truth. Occam's Razor.
And then there'll be those who goJaekus wrote:
Defintely so.Spark wrote:
Could be. Racism is very much alive and well in this country.Macbeth wrote:
With all due respect, that's a lame backtrack.
FEOs is right though, the laws are similar and both have room for abuse.
Considering some of the things I have read about ethnic relations in AUS, it seems the bill, like the one in Arizona, is the right thing to pass but is popular for the wrong reasons.
Earlier I had a FB convo with someone I know. He was promoting the FB page "Ban the Burqa in Australia". The argument there is the freedom of speech and they have the right to peacefully protest as we live in a deomcracy. I pointed out that whilst it is your right to protest, banning people from wearing an article of dress ANYWHERE in public just beause you don't like it is denying their democractic right to wear what they want. He was good enough to see how this doesn't really work and I know he's not a racist person, though in the past I have thought he's a little borderline about it. Unfortunately there will be those who will see this issue as a platform to express anti Islamic sentiment in a fairly blunt manner.
Who you would really not mind if they all boarded a plane which disappeared mysteriously one day.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
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Here in Austria a women was expelled from the court room because she wore a burqa and refused to reveal her face during the trial of her and her husband who were operating an Islamistic website.
The reason was, that the judges, lawyers and the jury need to be able to see the face and reactions to be able to properly reason and judge.
I have to agree with that, because otherwise you could do trials via email.
There is also a law that bans wearing face coverings during demonstrations and other large gatherings. It's quite stretchable, and AFAIK basically would apply during carnival too.
Identification to police upon request is obviously quite reasonable, although a prison sentence is too much.
Here in Austria you have to be able to identify yourself with a photo ID (passport, driving license, ID card,...) on request or otherwise police could take you to the station to check your ID.
Same if you refuse to take a breathalyser test, where you are deemed drunk above the limit and taken to the station for a blood test.
The reason was, that the judges, lawyers and the jury need to be able to see the face and reactions to be able to properly reason and judge.
I have to agree with that, because otherwise you could do trials via email.
There is also a law that bans wearing face coverings during demonstrations and other large gatherings. It's quite stretchable, and AFAIK basically would apply during carnival too.
Identification to police upon request is obviously quite reasonable, although a prison sentence is too much.
Here in Austria you have to be able to identify yourself with a photo ID (passport, driving license, ID card,...) on request or otherwise police could take you to the station to check your ID.
Same if you refuse to take a breathalyser test, where you are deemed drunk above the limit and taken to the station for a blood test.
Descendents of criminals.Spark wrote:
And then there'll be those who goJaekus wrote:
Defintely so.Spark wrote:
Could be. Racism is very much alive and well in this country.
Earlier I had a FB convo with someone I know. He was promoting the FB page "Ban the Burqa in Australia". The argument there is the freedom of speech and they have the right to peacefully protest as we live in a deomcracy. I pointed out that whilst it is your right to protest, banning people from wearing an article of dress ANYWHERE in public just beause you don't like it is denying their democractic right to wear what they want. He was good enough to see how this doesn't really work and I know he's not a racist person, though in the past I have thought he's a little borderline about it. Unfortunately there will be those who will see this issue as a platform to express anti Islamic sentiment in a fairly blunt manner.
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Who you would really not mind if they all boarded a plane which disappeared mysteriously one day.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Then they don't need to ask for papers do they?lowing wrote:
Ya lost me, do you honestly think that the police do not "call in" the person they are encountering regardless of race sex religion etc...A cop knows all about you ( or rather the person the car is registered to) before they get out of their car.Dilbert_X wrote:
Do the Police ask people to prove they haven't committed any other crimes when they're pulled over or is it just immigration?
Stopping people because they're suspects in one crime and then requiring they prove they haven't committed another crime for which the officer has no evidence they have is bizarre and runs against most principles of natural law.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
*sighs*Spark wrote:
And then there'll be those who goJaekus wrote:
Defintely so.Spark wrote:
Could be. Racism is very much alive and well in this country.
Earlier I had a FB convo with someone I know. He was promoting the FB page "Ban the Burqa in Australia". The argument there is the freedom of speech and they have the right to peacefully protest as we live in a deomcracy. I pointed out that whilst it is your right to protest, banning people from wearing an article of dress ANYWHERE in public just beause you don't like it is denying their democractic right to wear what they want. He was good enough to see how this doesn't really work and I know he's not a racist person, though in the past I have thought he's a little borderline about it. Unfortunately there will be those who will see this issue as a platform to express anti Islamic sentiment in a fairly blunt manner.
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uplo … e-full.jpg
Who you would really not mind if they all boarded a plane which disappeared mysteriously one day.
Yes, those people are an embarassment to our country.
Explain how our crime rate is so much lower.Jay wrote:
Descendents of criminals.Spark wrote:
And then there'll be those who goJaekus wrote:
Defintely so.
Earlier I had a FB convo with someone I know. He was promoting the FB page "Ban the Burqa in Australia". The argument there is the freedom of speech and they have the right to peacefully protest as we live in a deomcracy. I pointed out that whilst it is your right to protest, banning people from wearing an article of dress ANYWHERE in public just beause you don't like it is denying their democractic right to wear what they want. He was good enough to see how this doesn't really work and I know he's not a racist person, though in the past I have thought he's a little borderline about it. Unfortunately there will be those who will see this issue as a platform to express anti Islamic sentiment in a fairly blunt manner.
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uplo … e-full.jpg
Who you would really not mind if they all boarded a plane which disappeared mysteriously one day.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
SUre they do, when your sorry ass does not come up in their system, probably means you ain't supposed to be there.Dilbert_X wrote:
Then they don't need to ask for papers do they?lowing wrote:
Ya lost me, do you honestly think that the police do not "call in" the person they are encountering regardless of race sex religion etc...A cop knows all about you ( or rather the person the car is registered to) before they get out of their car.Dilbert_X wrote:
Do the Police ask people to prove they haven't committed any other crimes when they're pulled over or is it just immigration?
Stopping people because they're suspects in one crime and then requiring they prove they haven't committed another crime for which the officer has no evidence they have is bizarre and runs against most principles of natural law.
prison changes a manDilbert_X wrote:
Explain how our crime rate is so much lower.Jay wrote:
Descendents of criminals.Spark wrote:
And then there'll be those who go
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uplo … e-full.jpg
Who you would really not mind if they all boarded a plane which disappeared mysteriously one day.
Tu Stultus Es
I heard that more predominately Muslim countries ban them than require women to wear them.Cybargs wrote:
Funny thing is a lot of the muslim community support this move afaik.
Oh it is! We have these things on the backs of our cars called license plates, and with THAT information they are able to figure out all relevant information there is on the person the car belongs to, and oh, by the way, IF it turns outs the car does not belong to the driver, the cop will get his DRIVERS LICENSE and find out all there is to know based on that. IF it turns out the drivers does not have any ID. OUR cops are allowed to investigate even further to figure out who the person is. Pretty cool really. How do you do it down under?AussieReaper wrote:
Must be awesome to be able to do that when chasing a stolen vehicle.lowing wrote:
Ya lost me, do you honestly think that the police do not "call in" the person they are encountering regardless of race sex religion etc...A cop knows all about you ( or rather the person the car is registered to) before they get out of their car.Dilbert_X wrote:
Do the Police ask people to prove they haven't committed any other crimes when they're pulled over or is it just immigration?
Stopping people because they're suspects in one crime and then requiring they prove they haven't committed another crime for which the officer has no evidence they have is bizarre and runs against most principles of natural law.
But you said a cop knows all about you ( or rather the person the car is registered to) before they get out of their car.lowing wrote:
Oh it is! We have these things on the backs of our cars called license plates, and with THAT information they are able to figure out all relevant information there is on the person the car belongs to, and oh, by the way, IF it turns outs the car does not belong to the driver, the cop will get his DRIVERS LICENSE and find out all there is to know based on that. IF it turns out the drivers does not have any ID. OUR cops are allowed to investigate even further to figure out who the person is. Pretty cool really. How do you do it down under?AussieReaper wrote:
Must be awesome to be able to do that when chasing a stolen vehicle.lowing wrote:
Ya lost me, do you honestly think that the police do not "call in" the person they are encountering regardless of race sex religion etc...A cop knows all about you ( or rather the person the car is registered to) before they get out of their car.
Doesn't help when chasing a stolen vehicle now does it? You know, since the officer has to get out of the car and all to identify the driver.
Our police are not wizards, so maybe I am missing something special about your cops?