New Australian law to make Muslims lift veils

2011-07-11 03:46:14

#26

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6117|eXtreme to the maX

Do the Police ask people to prove they haven't committed any other crimes when they're pulled over or is it just immigration?

Stopping people because they're suspects in one crime and then requiring they prove they haven't committed another crime for which the officer has no evidence they have is bizarre and runs against most principles of natural law.

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2011-07-11 04:03:06

#27

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6422|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
Do the Police ask people to prove they haven't committed any other crimes when they're pulled over or is it just immigration?

Stopping people because they're suspects in one crime and then requiring they prove they haven't committed another crime for which the officer has no evidence they have is bizarre and runs against most principles of natural law.

If an officer has reason to suspect another crime is occurring or has occurred, they can inspect the vehicle for it (drugs, etc). Traffic stops often are the starting point for larger busts.

And are you referring to natural law or common law?

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2011-07-11 04:05:52

#28

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6685|Canberra, AUS

It's not quite "prove you aren't a criminal". IIRC it stems for a case against a lady in a burqa (or similar) that was thrown out because the police didn't identify her face (despite presumably having other methods of ID). So that's where it comes from.

Last edited by Spark (2011-07-11 04:06:19)

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2011-07-11 04:08:02

#29

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6422|'Murka

Spark wrote:
It's not quite "prove you aren't a criminal". IIRC it stems for a case against a lady in a burqa (or similar) that was thrown out because the police didn't identify her face (despite presumably having other methods of ID). So that's where it comes from.

Dil's referring to the (similar) Arizona law, which I referenced and noted the distinct difference in response from the community towards...which he then perpetrated further with his lambasting of the (similar) Arizona law.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-07-11 04:18:55

#30

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6685|Canberra, AUS

TBF you have to really, really work at it to get the Aus populace worked up about anything.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-07-11 04:19:47

#31

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5189|Sydney

Spark wrote:
TBF you have to really, really work at it to get the Aus populace worked up about anything.

Unless it's beer or sport

2011-07-11 04:26:58

#32

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6163|what

Jaekus wrote:
Spark wrote:
TBF you have to really, really work at it to get the Aus populace worked up about anything.
Unless it's beer or sport

24 can limit at cricket games = riots in the streets

2011-07-11 04:27:58

#33

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5189|Sydney

AussieReaper wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
Spark wrote:
TBF you have to really, really work at it to get the Aus populace worked up about anything.
Unless it's beer or sport
24 can limit at cricket games = riots in the streets

And they're mid strength too no doubt

2011-07-11 06:11:03

#34

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6685|Canberra, AUS

AussieReaper wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
Spark wrote:
TBF you have to really, really work at it to get the Aus populace worked up about anything.
Unless it's beer or sport
24 can limit at cricket games = riots in the streets

whatchoo talking about *whistles*

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-07-11 06:21:55

#35

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5248|Cleveland, Ohio

Spark wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
There have been multiple cases/threads here where this very argument has been used, but those against it have decried it as a violation of personal rights, police state, slippery slope and whatnot.

Arizona's immigration law comes to mind...

I don't disagree with the proposal. I'm just noticing a comparison and a distinctly different reaction.
Its very different requiring everyone prove their ID compared requiring brown people to prove they're not criminals.
This law applies to anyone with a face covering of any kind, not just muslims with burkas IIRC.
Yes, this is correct.

wow have you two shown your ignorance and proved the point feos was making

2011-07-11 06:23:12

#36

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6117|eXtreme to the maX

Still not sure what point that was but OK.

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2011-07-11 06:23:42

#37

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6685|Canberra, AUS

11 Bravo wrote:
Spark wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:

Its very different requiring everyone prove their ID compared requiring brown people to prove they're not criminals.
This law applies to anyone with a face covering of any kind, not just muslims with burkas IIRC.
Yes, this is correct.
wow have you two shown your ignorance and proved the point feos was making

I'm not sure I ever argued about the Arizona law...

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-07-11 06:24:49

#38

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5248|Cleveland, Ohio

Spark wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
Spark wrote:

Yes, this is correct.
wow have you two shown your ignorance and proved the point feos was making
I'm not sure I ever argued about the Arizona law...

well thats what he was talking about and you quoted him. if you dont know dogbert will always cry about the US in some smart ass way by now well then......

2011-07-11 06:25:15

#39

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5369|London, England

Rachel Maddow and Jon Stewart didn't blast the Australian law so it's cool.

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2011-07-11 06:27:58

#40

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5248|Cleveland, Ohio

Jay wrote:
Rachel Maddow and Jon Stewart didn't blast the Australian law so it's cool.

true. good point.

2011-07-11 06:31:45

#41

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6163|what

Good thing you have those two to know what you should be against.

2011-07-11 06:31:58

#42

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6685|Canberra, AUS

11 Bravo wrote:
Spark wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:

wow have you two shown your ignorance and proved the point feos was making
I'm not sure I ever argued about the Arizona law...
well thats what he was talking about and you quoted him. if you dont know dogbert will always cry about the US in some smart ass way by now well then......

I was only confirming the last sentence of his post, to clarify the actual law itself. I don't actually know what the Arizona law does in detail.

I'm not particularly interested in getting dragged into little games, tbh

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-07-11 06:34:11

#43

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5369|London, England

AussieReaper wrote:
Good thing you have those two to know what you should be against.

Nah, I don't watch much political tv. You however, get all your opinions from them. You are the liberal version of lowing and his bill o'reilly.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-07-11 06:34:27

#44

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5248|Cleveland, Ohio

Jay wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
Good thing you have those two to know what you should be against.
Nah, I don't watch much political tv. You however, get all your opinions from them. You are the liberal version of lowing and his bill o'reilly.

2011-07-11 06:34:53

#45

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5248|Cleveland, Ohio

Spark wrote:
I'm not particularly interested in getting dragged into little games, tbh

then you might not want to quote dogbert

2011-07-11 06:35:46

#46

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6685|Canberra, AUS

11 Bravo wrote:
Spark wrote:
I'm not particularly interested in getting dragged into little games, tbh
then you might not want to quote dogbert

Right. Will bear that in mind in future if I can be bothered to remember

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When did the 1 minute between posts rule change? Just noticed

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-07-11 06:39:33

#47

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5189|Sydney

I noticed Today Tonight are having a field day with this topic. I fucking hate that show.

2011-07-11 06:42:06

#48

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5596

Spark wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
Spark wrote:

I'm not sure I ever argued about the Arizona law...
well thats what he was talking about and you quoted him. if you dont know dogbert will always cry about the US in some smart ass way by now well then......
I was only confirming the last sentence of his post, to clarify the actual law itself. I don't actually know what the Arizona law does in detail.

I'm not particularly interested in getting dragged into little games, tbh

With all due respect, that's a lame backtrack.

FEOs is right though, the laws are similar and both have room for abuse.

Considering some of the things I have read about ethnic relations in AUS, it seems the bill, like the one in Arizona, is the right thing to pass but is popular for the wrong reasons.

2011-07-11 06:42:54

#49

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6685|Canberra, AUS

Macbeth wrote:
Spark wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:

well thats what he was talking about and you quoted him. if you dont know dogbert will always cry about the US in some smart ass way by now well then......
I was only confirming the last sentence of his post, to clarify the actual law itself. I don't actually know what the Arizona law does in detail.

I'm not particularly interested in getting dragged into little games, tbh
With all due respect, that's a lame backtrack.

FEOs is right though, the laws are similar and both have room for abuse.

Considering some of the things I have read about ethnic relations in AUS, it seems the bill, like the one in Arizona, is the right thing to pass but is popular for the wrong reasons.

Could be. Racism is very much alive and well in this country.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-07-11 06:42:56

#50

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6163|what

Jay wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
Good thing you have those two to know what you should be against.
Nah, I don't watch much political tv. You however, get all your opinions from them. You are the liberal version of lowing and his bill o'reilly.

Oh obviously I get all my political opinions from watching the political commentary from another countries comedian. Good one, chief.

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