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The US system is absolutely shit but I feel that many commenters fail to realise that prison is also punishment rather than a rehabilitation program. That society would hypothetically save more money by offering them education is besides the point.

Having said so I absolutely 100% believe the system over there needs reform.

being in prison is a punishment. you have no freedom, no associations, no relations. your every hour is divided up and dictated by someone else. that's a punishment.

why do you want to keep them in howling ignorance? deprive them of books? why not make their cells a little smaller? why not do away with hot food?

it's all a little sadistic isn't it?

but great idea, the country with the largest prison population in the world -- and growing -- should do nothing to rehabilitate its prisoners, and should subscribe to old testament ideas of righteous vengeance. that'll reduce the tax bill and fix all that criminality.

the bard programme is highly selective. it's not like every single prisoner is getting an elite liberal arts degree when in prison. they work extremely hard at it. it seems like a great opportunity for very young people who have, very early on, seriously scuppered their lives to turn it around before a lifetime of criminality and illegality await.

If you really think prison is a punishment then forcing them to do school work all day seems like a good punishment compared to sitting around and lifting weights. Maybe we could even get the smartest among them to do white collar office work while in there.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

If you really think prison is a punishment then forcing them to do school work all day seems like a good punishment compared to sitting around and lifting weights. Maybe we could even get the smartest among them to do white collar office work while in there.

there are 50,000 prisoners in the NY system and 300 get to enter the programme, it says.

prisoners already do labour in america don't they? i thought there was effectively a huge indentured labour force all churning out work for little or no pay.

most of them had done serious time before getting accepted onto the programme. a person in prison from the age of 16 doing some college in their mid-20s? so what's wrong with that? there comes a point when society is not gaining anything by locking people away, institutionalising and brutalising them. that individual is then going to be society's problem for the rest of their life.

it goes without saying i am not in support of the death penalty. especially for 16 year olds.

adolescents are cognitively disadvantaged when it comes to impulsive behaviour and poor long-term planning. it's why so many of them end up in car wrecks.

i think the richest society on earth can afford to give a 25-year-old some books to try and turn their shit around.

if a person's crime is so grievous then they are given a life sentence, without parole, then yes, sure, i agree with you.

a 16 year old who takes another's life is a complicated thing. it really depends on so much, the context, the offender, the aggrieved, etc.

in any case none of these guys are getting out early because they've taken a degree whilst inside.

Imagine ruining your body with hard labor on a wrongful conviction, and then being given a paltry compensation after however long served. Gee, thanks.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Imagine ruining your body with hard labor on a wrongful conviction, and then being given a paltry compensation after however long served. Gee, thanks.

Imagine it even with a rightful conviction

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You are just going to have to watch the video.

Millennials are the last generation to know what the good things were like and the first generation to reconcile with the fact that they will never return.

I never cared for Harry Potter. I was all abut that Star Wars.

My 9 year old bedroom was Phantom Menace themed.

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