A poor man stealing a loaf of bread so his family can survive another day?eusgen wrote:
IMO Anyone who steals or "robs" other people, especially trying to do it using fear and a gun, should be shot and killed immediately. The world doesn't need em'.
That's such a typical excuse. If the guy wasn't a dick he could probably reply on friends' charity, or in my case my church's, and maybe he could even find a friend's house he could stay at until he's on his toes again.Stimey wrote:
A poor man stealing a loaf of bread so his family can survive another day?eusgen wrote:
IMO Anyone who steals or "robs" other people, especially trying to do it using fear and a gun, should be shot and killed immediately. The world doesn't need em'.
Well, I know a few folks who've had to live that way for a few months.Macbeth wrote:
teenage life expert
Well, we're talking about some guy in America now.Stimey wrote:
Africa?
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Well from the beginning I bowed to the fact that this was not self defense that it was murder. I take into consideration that this guy was drawn to it by the circumstances of the events and the emotions that surrounded it. I guess simply put, the criminals started it, not him.Jay wrote:
No, what's funny is how you're trying to wriggle around and justify giving him a lesser charge when it is clear that he is a murderer. Normally you'd be shouting from the rooftops that he needs to be executed but because you feel empathy towards him, you'd rather see him let off. Hypocritical as always lowing. At least you're consistent.lowing wrote:
but flipping through the examples of second degree murder fits the OP scenario far closer than a planned out murder as was described.FEOS wrote:
Is it exactly the same? Of course not. Is it similar, in that you can show intent and premeditation, which is the burden under the law? Yes.
Yes, there is an argument for 2nd degree. Also one for manslaughter. And his lawyer lost them.
Because the argument FOR 1st degree murder is stronger.
It is funny how there are no examples of the OP scenario that is used for first degree murder, it is always, someone planning every detail of the crime.
lowing, the guy had a lawyer. I'm sure the lawyer was better trained in the law than any of us. I'm sure he thought of arguing that this case did not meet the criteria for first degree murder. And you know what? The evidence against his client and the arguments of the prosecutor beat him. There clearly was more to the case than just the news article and the surveillance video.lowing wrote:
but flipping through the examples of second degree murder fits the OP scenario far closer than a planned out murder as was described.FEOS wrote:
Is it exactly the same? Of course not. Is it similar, in that you can show intent and premeditation, which is the burden under the law? Yes.lowing wrote:
So you can "easily" say this scenario is the same kind of thought out, plan for a month, dig the hole, dump the body, make for the border, scenario that is used for every first degree murder example you can find? You mean there is no argument for second degree murder here at all? WHich isn't much of a difference except maybe being put to death or life in prison.
THe fact that this guy woke up and thought he was going to have a normal day makes no difference in the case at all?
Yes, there is an argument for 2nd degree. Also one for manslaughter. And his lawyer lost them.
Because the argument FOR 1st degree murder is stronger.
It is funny how there are no examples of the OP scenario that is used for first degree murder, it is always, someone planning every detail of the crime.
hmm, for someone who complains about personal attacks . . .lowing wrote:
I am betting burnzz knows a few defense lawyers.FEOS wrote:
Go find an actual lawyer and have them post here then.burnzz wrote:
can we rename this section "Where sidewalk lawyers meet"?
While you're at it, demand credentials from everyone before allowing them to post on any topic.
13/f/taiwan wrote:
why would you bet that?
I see, so we can not argue it because, we were not there, do not have all the facts, are not experts. Well then why are we talking about wars, Africa, politics, law, religion, weather, aviation, history etc.. at all then? If you have now added the aforementioned criteria to be met before any discussion, I guess there really isn't much to discuss then is there? I mean Jaekus has already disallowed comparisons and analogies in making a point ( only in this thread though) and now you say, we were not there, are not experts, and do not have all the facts.... Well then, what topics meet all those requirements for posting in this forum FEOS?FEOS wrote:
lowing, the guy had a lawyer. I'm sure the lawyer was better trained in the law than any of us. I'm sure he thought of arguing that this case did not meet the criteria for first degree murder. And you know what? The evidence against his client and the arguments of the prosecutor beat him. There clearly was more to the case than just the news article and the surveillance video.lowing wrote:
but flipping through the examples of second degree murder fits the OP scenario far closer than a planned out murder as was described.FEOS wrote:
Is it exactly the same? Of course not. Is it similar, in that you can show intent and premeditation, which is the burden under the law? Yes.
Yes, there is an argument for 2nd degree. Also one for manslaughter. And his lawyer lost them.
Because the argument FOR 1st degree murder is stronger.
It is funny how there are no examples of the OP scenario that is used for first degree murder, it is always, someone planning every detail of the crime.
you are not talking to me burnzz remember? Not even "the time of day" Ut ohhh short term memory loss, could be brain cell loss.burnzz wrote:
hmm, for someone who complains about personal attacks . . .lowing wrote:
I am betting burnzz knows a few defense lawyers.FEOS wrote:
Go find an actual lawyer and have them post here then.
While you're at it, demand credentials from everyone before allowing them to post on any topic.13/f/taiwan wrote:
why would you bet that?
just like i'm sure he was turning his life around and would never do it again, he was a good boy after all!Hurricane2k9 wrote:
lol, the mother is calling her son a hero
http://www.koco.com/r/24703285/detail.html
?13/f/taiwan wrote:
why would you bet that?
I am betting........an Obama supporter. After all, it wasn't her sons fault he robbed the pharmacy. any takers?Hurricane2k9 wrote:
lol, the mother is calling her son a hero
http://www.koco.com/r/24703285/detail.html
he love his grandmakrazed wrote:
just like i'm sure he was turning his life around and would never do it again, he was a good boy after all!Hurricane2k9 wrote:
lol, the mother is calling her son a hero
http://www.koco.com/r/24703285/detail.html
13/f/taiwan wrote:
?13/f/taiwan wrote:
why would you bet that?
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hahahahahaHurricane2k9 wrote:
lol, the mother is calling her son a hero
http://www.koco.com/r/24703285/detail.html
You missed the point entirely.lowing wrote:
I see, so we can not argue it because, we were not there, do not have all the facts, are not experts. Well then why are we talking about wars, Africa, politics, law, religion, weather, aviation, history etc.. at all then? If you have now added the aforementioned criteria to be met before any discussion, I guess there really isn't much to discuss then is there? I mean Jaekus has already disallowed comparisons and analogies in making a point ( only in this thread though) and now you say, we were not there, are not experts, and do not have all the facts.... Well then, what topics meet all those requirements for posting in this forum FEOS?FEOS wrote:
lowing, the guy had a lawyer. I'm sure the lawyer was better trained in the law than any of us. I'm sure he thought of arguing that this case did not meet the criteria for first degree murder. And you know what? The evidence against his client and the arguments of the prosecutor beat him. There clearly was more to the case than just the news article and the surveillance video.lowing wrote:
but flipping through the examples of second degree murder fits the OP scenario far closer than a planned out murder as was described.
It is funny how there are no examples of the OP scenario that is used for first degree murder, it is always, someone planning every detail of the crime.
I did? and what was the point then Jaekus? If not, the experts already figured this out, so there is nothing to discuss?Jaekus wrote:
You missed the point entirely.lowing wrote:
I see, so we can not argue it because, we were not there, do not have all the facts, are not experts. Well then why are we talking about wars, Africa, politics, law, religion, weather, aviation, history etc.. at all then? If you have now added the aforementioned criteria to be met before any discussion, I guess there really isn't much to discuss then is there? I mean Jaekus has already disallowed comparisons and analogies in making a point ( only in this thread though) and now you say, we were not there, are not experts, and do not have all the facts.... Well then, what topics meet all those requirements for posting in this forum FEOS?FEOS wrote:
lowing, the guy had a lawyer. I'm sure the lawyer was better trained in the law than any of us. I'm sure he thought of arguing that this case did not meet the criteria for first degree murder. And you know what? The evidence against his client and the arguments of the prosecutor beat him. There clearly was more to the case than just the news article and the surveillance video.
AGAIN.
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