why wouldn't it be about the money?lowing wrote:
No no no, this isn't about MONEY!!! Player play for the love of the game, ask Uzi he will tell ya.Macbeth wrote:
The NFL is making money hand over fist and the players want a bigger cut of the record profits. They are arguing they incur a lot of risk and aren't compensated enough for the potential risk and that the NFL doesn't do enough to make sure the players upon leaving the NFL.
Their argument falls apart once you you find out that the NFL admits being a player isn't a ticket to the good life and that the NFL provides a shit load of post NFL career counseling services, training programs, financial management courses etc. The thing is the players don't use the resources the NFL puts in front of them. They are terribly underutilized.
naggers want the money up front.
Nothing wrong with wanting more money, I just don't like to be told that these athletes are playing for the game and not the money.Jay wrote:
What's wrong with the players wanting more money? Here's a novel idea: get rid of the salary cap. Then you don't have to worry about percentages and other bullshit.
Only problem is, is their timing. I don't see a lot of sympathy being thrown at these multi-million-aires by people that are struggling to pay their mortgages.
because when I had this discussion before with Uzi, according to him, pro athletes don't play for money, they play for love of the game. and stats, ( which to me, equates to money)13/f/taiwan wrote:
why wouldn't it be about the money?lowing wrote:
No no no, this isn't about MONEY!!! Player play for the love of the game, ask Uzi he will tell ya.Macbeth wrote:
The NFL is making money hand over fist and the players want a bigger cut of the record profits. They are arguing they incur a lot of risk and aren't compensated enough for the potential risk and that the NFL doesn't do enough to make sure the players upon leaving the NFL.
Their argument falls apart once you you find out that the NFL admits being a player isn't a ticket to the good life and that the NFL provides a shit load of post NFL career counseling services, training programs, financial management courses etc. The thing is the players don't use the resources the NFL puts in front of them. They are terribly underutilized.
naggers want the money up front.
Oh boohoo, they're millionaires. Who made them a millionaire? You did.lowing wrote:
Nothing wrong with wanting more money, I just don't like to be told that these athletes are playing for the game and not the money.Jay wrote:
What's wrong with the players wanting more money? Here's a novel idea: get rid of the salary cap. Then you don't have to worry about percentages and other bullshit.
Only problem is, is their timing. I don't see a lot of sympathy being thrown at these multi-million-aires by people that are struggling to pay their mortgages.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
lol, actually I didn't, never been to a pro game, don't buy into their jerseys or team logo bullshit. I get your point though, and I think that is why there will be little sympathy from those that turned them million-aires.Jay wrote:
Oh boohoo, they're millionaires. Who made them a millionaire? You did.lowing wrote:
Nothing wrong with wanting more money, I just don't like to be told that these athletes are playing for the game and not the money.Jay wrote:
What's wrong with the players wanting more money? Here's a novel idea: get rid of the salary cap. Then you don't have to worry about percentages and other bullshit.
Only problem is, is their timing. I don't see a lot of sympathy being thrown at these multi-million-aires by people that are struggling to pay their mortgages.
Last edited by lowing (2011-05-23 14:58:56)
well jay...everyone makes everyone who is rich, rich. oil, sports, restaurants, etc.
I think you are mistaken. I'm fairly sure you didn't argue with Uzi but with Poseidon.lowing wrote:
because when I had this discussion before with Uzi, according to him, pro athletes don't play for money, they play for love of the game. and stats, ( which to me, equates to money)13/f/taiwan wrote:
why wouldn't it be about the money?lowing wrote:
No no no, this isn't about MONEY!!! Player play for the love of the game, ask Uzi he will tell ya.
Last edited by Macbeth (2011-05-23 15:50:24)
Was it? I coulda swore it was Uzi. Well then I apologize to Uzi, for pinning that conversation on him.Macbeth wrote:
I think you are mistaken. I'm fairly sure you didn't argue with Uzi but with Poseidon.lowing wrote:
because when I had this discussion before with Uzi, according to him, pro athletes don't play for money, they play for love of the game. and stats, ( which to me, equates to money)13/f/taiwan wrote:
why wouldn't it be about the money?
I don't think anyone is saying wanting to be rich(or in this case richer) is bad. I was simply wondering what they felt their multi-million dollar salaries were worth risking for. Clearly it was larger multi-million dollar salaries, to which I say "pfft". I wonder how many players are against this whole thing(it is a union, after all) and would rather just play.
Last edited by Blue Herring (2011-05-23 16:34:02)
well anyone who says it is not about the money is a total dopeBlue Herring wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying wanted to be rich(or in this case richer) is bad. I was simply wondering what they felt their multi-million dollar salaries were worth risking for. Clearly it was larger multi-million dollar salaries, to which I say "pfft". I wonder how many players are against this whole thing(it is a union, after all) and would rather just play.
Explain Cliff Lee, LeBron James, the Sedin twins, Mike Miller (honestly the entire Heat team this year) Paul Martin, Dan Hamhuis, Albert Pujols, Chipper Jones, Mariano Rivera, etc.11 Bravo wrote:
well anyone who says it is not about the money is a total dopeBlue Herring wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying wanted to be rich(or in this case richer) is bad. I was simply wondering what they felt their multi-million dollar salaries were worth risking for. Clearly it was larger multi-million dollar salaries, to which I say "pfft". I wonder how many players are against this whole thing(it is a union, after all) and would rather just play.
As a hockey fan you should know players sign almost always where the best chance to win a Cup is. Only in baseball is players signing for the money more prevalent, mostly due to the lack of a salary cap. Of course players love making money. Who doesn't? But to say they don't care about a championship and just play for the money is absurd. The argument always was.
lol explain everyone else.Poseidon wrote:
Explain Cliff Lee, LeBron James, the Sedin twins, Mike Miller (honestly the entire Heat team this year) Paul Martin, Dan Hamhuis, Albert Pujols, Chipper Jones, Mariano Rivera, etc.11 Bravo wrote:
well anyone who says it is not about the money is a total dopeBlue Herring wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying wanted to be rich(or in this case richer) is bad. I was simply wondering what they felt their multi-million dollar salaries were worth risking for. Clearly it was larger multi-million dollar salaries, to which I say "pfft". I wonder how many players are against this whole thing(it is a union, after all) and would rather just play.
As a hockey fan you should know players sign almost always where the best chance to win a Cup is. Only in baseball is players signing for the money more prevalent, mostly due to the lack of a salary cap. Of course players love making money. Who doesn't? But to say they don't care about a championship and just play for the money is absurd. The argument always was.
These guys and their crying isn't going to win any of them championship rings, Poseidon. They want the money.
A championship title is a ticket to more fame and a cushy endorsement deal. It's all just self interested career maneuvering.
Love of the game lol
Why did I capitalize championship? Shit did it twice.
Love of the game lol
Why did I capitalize championship? Shit did it twice.
Last edited by Macbeth (2011-05-23 17:21:16)
So I just listed some of the biggest names in sports - all who signed for less money to either stay loyal or have a better chance at a championship - and you tell me "explain everyone else"? What, you want a list of every free agent signing since 1947?
Last edited by Poseidon (2011-05-23 17:18:59)
yes.
Winning.
Cliff Lee still made a nine figure salary. LeBron James took the max, did he not? Hockey is gay. Albert Pujols is expecting a nine figure contract at the end of the year, Mariano Rivera is making what? $18M? Yeah.Poseidon wrote:
Explain Cliff Lee, LeBron James, the Sedin twins, Mike Miller (honestly the entire Heat team this year) Paul Martin, Dan Hamhuis, Albert Pujols, Chipper Jones, Mariano Rivera, etc.11 Bravo wrote:
well anyone who says it is not about the money is a total dopeBlue Herring wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying wanted to be rich(or in this case richer) is bad. I was simply wondering what they felt their multi-million dollar salaries were worth risking for. Clearly it was larger multi-million dollar salaries, to which I say "pfft". I wonder how many players are against this whole thing(it is a union, after all) and would rather just play.
As a hockey fan you should know players sign almost always where the best chance to win a Cup is. Only in baseball is players signing for the money more prevalent, mostly due to the lack of a salary cap. Of course players love making money. Who doesn't? But to say they don't care about a championship and just play for the money is absurd. The argument always was.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Love of the game is bullshit. It's a friggin job. Anyone that doesn't try to maximize his salary during the limited time frame of his playing career is an idiot. They are anomalies, hardly the rule.
Last edited by Jay (2011-05-23 18:11:02)
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Yeah, $28 mil is pocket change. Pujols stayed with the Cardinals (in his original deal) for cheaper. Rivera turned down extra from the Sox to stay with the Yankees. Rivera was offered a boatload of money from the Sox and turned it down to stay with the Yankees. You act like "oh well they make a lot of money so clearly it's not for the desire to win a ring", but these people are in a different world salary-wise than you and I will ever be. The minimum NHL salary is 550K, more than you or I will ever make. And that doesn't include performance incentive bonuses.Jay wrote:
Cliff Lee still made a nine figure salary. LeBron James took the max, did he not? Hockey is gay. Albert Pujols is expecting a nine figure contract at the end of the year, Mariano Rivera is making what? $18M? Yeah.Poseidon wrote:
Explain Cliff Lee, LeBron James, the Sedin twins, Mike Miller (honestly the entire Heat team this year) Paul Martin, Dan Hamhuis, Albert Pujols, Chipper Jones, Mariano Rivera, etc.11 Bravo wrote:
well anyone who says it is not about the money is a total dope
As a hockey fan you should know players sign almost always where the best chance to win a Cup is. Only in baseball is players signing for the money more prevalent, mostly due to the lack of a salary cap. Of course players love making money. Who doesn't? But to say they don't care about a championship and just play for the money is absurd. The argument always was.
As for LeBron and the Heat:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5368003
I'm watching the Boston-Tampa NHL game right now. Anyone who says these players are playing "just for the money" is a fucking idiot. Simple as that.The Heat's two newest superstars signed matching six-year, $110.1 million contracts, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher. Dwyane Wade took an even bigger discount to stay in Miami, signing for six years and $107.5 million, according to the sources.
Sources told ESPN.com's Chad Ford that James and Bosh are scheduled to make $14.5 million and Wade $14 million in 2010-11.
Each player took $15 million less over the life of the contract to sign with Miami, but the deals came with a caveat.
Macbeth wrote:
A championship title is a ticket to more fame and a cushy endorsement deal. It's all just self interested career maneuvering.
Love of the game lol
Why did I capitalize championship? Shit did it twice.
That's nice Poseidon. You wanna know why your sport is so 'pure'? Because it's fucking broke. No one watches hockey. If there was as much money being tossed around in hockey as there is in the other sports you'd have just as much greed as there as anyplace else. Why did Gretzky and Lindros and Messier and Jagr play for the Rangers? Because they offered them the most money. Why did Yashin sign his ridiculous contract with the Islanders? For money. Except now the game has no revenue because it's on fucking Versus and there is a hard (and paltry) salary cap in place that limits salary potential for the athletes anyway. It's one step above an amateur sport. If there were endorsement deals and fame involved, you better believe that the players would sign where they could maximize their payout. But there isn't, so why not chase a cup?
As for Lebron and Wade and Bosh, they know damn well that they'll make more money in shoe deals after they win a championship together than if they had stayed separate. They united for fame, not for love of the game. Please.
As for Lebron and Wade and Bosh, they know damn well that they'll make more money in shoe deals after they win a championship together than if they had stayed separate. They united for fame, not for love of the game. Please.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Yeah that's what I figured. And I misquoted (although it might as well have been what you said) you because just your misinformation on Gretzky and Jagr alone shows you really don't.Jay wrote:
I don't watch hockey and know nothing about it.
Yeah, because athletes are only endorsed when they win a championship.As for Lebron and Wade and Bosh, they know damn well that they'll make more money in shoe deals after they win a championship together than if they had stayed separate. They united for fame, not for love of the game. Please.
don't know why you're referencing me here (must have me confused); i never debate or give a shit about professional sports.lowing wrote:
because when I had this discussion before with Uzi, according to him, pro athletes don't play for money, they play for love of the game. and stats, ( which to me, equates to money)13/f/taiwan wrote:
why wouldn't it be about the money?lowing wrote:
No no no, this isn't about MONEY!!! Player play for the love of the game, ask Uzi he will tell ya.
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
i was talking about the nfl. dunno why you bring up the other sports.Poseidon wrote:
Explain Cliff Lee, LeBron James, the Sedin twins, Mike Miller (honestly the entire Heat team this year) Paul Martin, Dan Hamhuis, Albert Pujols, Chipper Jones, Mariano Rivera, etc.11 Bravo wrote:
well anyone who says it is not about the money is a total dopeBlue Herring wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying wanted to be rich(or in this case richer) is bad. I was simply wondering what they felt their multi-million dollar salaries were worth risking for. Clearly it was larger multi-million dollar salaries, to which I say "pfft". I wonder how many players are against this whole thing(it is a union, after all) and would rather just play.
As a hockey fan you should know players sign almost always where the best chance to win a Cup is. Only in baseball is players signing for the money more prevalent, mostly due to the lack of a salary cap. Of course players love making money. Who doesn't? But to say they don't care about a championship and just play for the money is absurd. The argument always was.
I agree. It must be said though that love of the game is indeed part of it; trying to become a professional athelete for the sole purpose of making money is a little ludricrous as there are MUCH better and more surefire ways to make money, but I'm sure greed is a pretty good reason too when you have 7-8 figure salaries offered to you.Jay wrote:
Love of the game is bullshit. It's a friggin job. Anyone that doesn't try to maximize his salary during the limited time frame of his playing career is an idiot. They are anomalies, hardly the rule.