This judge has an obvious ego problem.
36 kilos of coke compared to 1.5 grams of weed... hmm, what do you reckon, aye?lowing wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/05/20/2011-05-20_major_drug_kingpin_caught_leaving_times_square_hotel_with_13_million_in_cocaine.html
how much time should this asshole get? I mean what did he do wrong as well?
Two totally different scenarios, they're not even REMOTELY comparable.
Last edited by Jaekus (2011-05-20 16:52:55)
drug dealing, a victimless endeavor right? where is the crime?Jaekus wrote:
36 kilos of coke compared to 1.5 grams of weed... hmm, what do you reckon, aye?lowing wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/05/20/2011-05-20_major_drug_kingpin_caught_leaving_times_square_hotel_with_13_million_in_cocaine.html
how much time should this asshole get? I mean what did he do wrong as well?
Two totally different scenarios, they're not even REMOTELY comparable.
drug dealing is a victimless crime.
marijuana =/= cocainelowing wrote:
drug dealing, a victimless endeavor right? where is the crime?Jaekus wrote:
36 kilos of coke compared to 1.5 grams of weed... hmm, what do you reckon, aye?lowing wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/05/20/2011-05-20_major_drug_kingpin_caught_leaving_times_square_hotel_with_13_million_in_cocaine.html
how much time should this asshole get? I mean what did he do wrong as well?
Two totally different scenarios, they're not even REMOTELY comparable.
Sorry Aussie that was not their argument. Their argument was drugs was a victimless crime. A relationship between a seller and a user. No one else is involved, so, my question stands.AussieReaper wrote:
marijuana =/= cocainelowing wrote:
drug dealing, a victimless endeavor right? where is the crime?Jaekus wrote:
36 kilos of coke compared to 1.5 grams of weed... hmm, what do you reckon, aye?
Two totally different scenarios, they're not even REMOTELY comparable.
Who is the victim if I sell weed to my neighbour who gets high in his livingroom?lowing wrote:
Sorry Aussie that was not their argument. Their argument was drugs was a victimless crime. A relationship between a seller and a user. No one else is involved, so, my question stands.AussieReaper wrote:
marijuana =/= cocainelowing wrote:
drug dealing, a victimless endeavor right? where is the crime?
Is society the victim?
like theft or bank robbery, insurance always pays out.13/f/taiwan wrote:
drug dealing is a victimless crime.
Fuck Israel
Well that is why I am asking. You have a major drug kingpin busted with 36 kilos of coke trying to smuggle through the airport....should he go to jail or not?AussieReaper wrote:
Who is the victim if I sell weed to my neighbour who gets high in his livingroom?lowing wrote:
Sorry Aussie that was not their argument. Their argument was drugs was a victimless crime. A relationship between a seller and a user. No one else is involved, so, my question stands.AussieReaper wrote:
marijuana =/= cocaine
Is society the victim?
Excellent. You can see the extreme scale of this argument. "Drug kingping" and "36 kilos of coke". Of course he should go to jail.lowing wrote:
Well that is why I am asking. You have a major drug kingpin busted with 36 kilos of coke trying to smuggle through the airport....should he go to jail or not?AussieReaper wrote:
Who is the victim if I sell weed to my neighbour who gets high in his livingroom?lowing wrote:
Sorry Aussie that was not their argument. Their argument was drugs was a victimless crime. A relationship between a seller and a user. No one else is involved, so, my question stands.
Is society the victim?
So why can't you accept the other end of the scale? $30 worth of weed. From a mother.
Does she deserve to get 12 years in jail?
regardless of the amount of drugs, drug dealing or using is a victimless crime right or wrong? It is a relationship between the seller and the user according to this board. So, according to the logic here, there is no crime, why should he go to jail then?AussieReaper wrote:
Excellent. You can see the extreme scale of this argument. "Drug kingping" and "36 kilos of coke". Of course he should go to jail.lowing wrote:
Well that is why I am asking. You have a major drug kingpin busted with 36 kilos of coke trying to smuggle through the airport....should he go to jail or not?AussieReaper wrote:
Who is the victim if I sell weed to my neighbour who gets high in his livingroom?
Is society the victim?
So why can't you accept the other end of the scale? $30 worth of weed. From a mother.
Does she deserve to get 12 years in jail?
Dilbert_X wrote:
like theft or bank robbery, insurance always pays out.13/f/taiwan wrote:
drug dealing is a victimless crime.
Dodge, dodge, dodge. You didn't even answer my question. Does she deserve to get 12 years in jail?lowing wrote:
regardless of the amount of drugs, drug dealing or using is a victimless crime right or wrong? It is a relationship between the seller and the user according to this board. So, according to the logic here, there is no crime, why should he go to jail then?AussieReaper wrote:
Excellent. You can see the extreme scale of this argument. "Drug kingping" and "36 kilos of coke". Of course he should go to jail.lowing wrote:
Well that is why I am asking. You have a major drug kingpin busted with 36 kilos of coke trying to smuggle through the airport....should he go to jail or not?
So why can't you accept the other end of the scale? $30 worth of weed. From a mother.
Does she deserve to get 12 years in jail?
Your scenario of drug kingping, yes he should go to jail. Based on the type of drug, amount, and wanted to smuggle in through an airport.
Can you understand why what this woman did is at the extremely low scale in this or not?
???Your scenario of drug kingping, yes he should go to jail. Based on the type of drug, amount, and wanted to smuggle in through an airport.
The only differance between the mother and the drug kingpin is the type of drug and the amount otherwise they are on the same ethical level...
I don't think either should go to prison. btw.
Are you trolling or are you genuinely that naive?lowing wrote:
drug dealing, a victimless endeavor right? where is the crime?Jaekus wrote:
36 kilos of coke compared to 1.5 grams of weed... hmm, what do you reckon, aye?lowing wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/05/20/2011-05-20_major_drug_kingpin_caught_leaving_times_square_hotel_with_13_million_in_cocaine.html
how much time should this asshole get? I mean what did he do wrong as well?
Two totally different scenarios, they're not even REMOTELY comparable.
Growing a plant and selling it to some stoner is worlds apart from trafficking refined cocaine made by drug barons in South American countries where people are killed on a daily basis directly due to gang related wars.
Actually that was not my argument at all.lowing wrote:
Sorry Aussie that was not their argument. Their argument was drugs was a victimless crime. A relationship between a seller and a user. No one else is involved, so, my question stands.AussieReaper wrote:
marijuana =/= cocainelowing wrote:
drug dealing, a victimless endeavor right? where is the crime?
At this rate you need to either learn to read properly or exit this discussion to save some measure of dignity.
I'd be personally embarrassed at the amount of ignorance you're displaying.
Not at all. As an analogy, that would be akin to saying giving a beer to someone under age is ethically the same as hosting a party for a few hundred kids and feeding them all absinthe.Macbeth wrote:
???Your scenario of drug kingping, yes he should go to jail. Based on the type of drug, amount, and wanted to smuggle in through an airport.
The only differance between the mother and the drug kingpin is the type of drug and the amount otherwise they are on the same ethical level...
I don't think either should go to prison. btw.
oh so drug dealing is NOT a victimless crime...got it.Jaekus wrote:
Are you trolling or are you genuinely that naive?lowing wrote:
drug dealing, a victimless endeavor right? where is the crime?Jaekus wrote:
36 kilos of coke compared to 1.5 grams of weed... hmm, what do you reckon, aye?
Two totally different scenarios, they're not even REMOTELY comparable.
Growing a plant and selling it to some stoner is worlds apart from trafficking refined cocaine made by drug barons in South American countries where people are killed on a daily basis directly due to gang related wars.
Well Jaekus....My question was primarily directed at the board, not specifically you. THat is why I said "THEIR" argument and not JAEKUS's argument. I hope that cleared up any misunderstanding.Jaekus wrote:
Actually that was not my argument at all.lowing wrote:
Sorry Aussie that was not their argument. Their argument was drugs was a victimless crime. A relationship between a seller and a user. No one else is involved, so, my question stands.AussieReaper wrote:
marijuana =/= cocaine
At this rate you need to either learn to read properly or exit this discussion to save some measure of dignity.
I'd be personally embarrassed at the amount of ignorance you're displaying.
I also take note that those that did claim drug dealing was a victimless crime are not coming here to answer my question.
Who was the victim in the case of this woman selling $31 of weed?lowing wrote:
Well Jaekus....My question was primarily directed at the board, not specifically you. THat is why I said "THEIR" argument and not JAEKUS's argument. I hope that cleared up any misunderstanding.Jaekus wrote:
Actually that was not my argument at all.lowing wrote:
Sorry Aussie that was not their argument. Their argument was drugs was a victimless crime. A relationship between a seller and a user. No one else is involved, so, my question stands.
At this rate you need to either learn to read properly or exit this discussion to save some measure of dignity.
I'd be personally embarrassed at the amount of ignorance you're displaying.
I also take note that those that did claim drug dealing was a victimless crime are not coming here to answer my question.
I already answered that question.....and my answer is, I don't care if a drug dealer gets life in prison or is never charged. Drug dealers prey on drug users, and I don't give 2 flying fucks what happens to them either as long as they do not interfere with my and my family's right to life liberty and happiness.AussieReaper wrote:
Dodge, dodge, dodge. You didn't even answer my question. Does she deserve to get 12 years in jail?lowing wrote:
regardless of the amount of drugs, drug dealing or using is a victimless crime right or wrong? It is a relationship between the seller and the user according to this board. So, according to the logic here, there is no crime, why should he go to jail then?AussieReaper wrote:
Excellent. You can see the extreme scale of this argument. "Drug kingping" and "36 kilos of coke". Of course he should go to jail.
So why can't you accept the other end of the scale? $30 worth of weed. From a mother.
Does she deserve to get 12 years in jail?
Your scenario of drug kingping, yes he should go to jail. Based on the type of drug, amount, and wanted to smuggle in through an airport.
Can you understand why what this woman did is at the extremely low scale in this or not?
I make no distinction between a small time operator or kingpin like some do. They are the same type of people doing the same type of crime. Scale of the crime does not matter to me. I see no difference between a bank robber stealing 100's of thousands from a bank, and a burglar stealing TV sets from homes.
Last edited by lowing (2011-05-21 00:46:07)
who is the victim of a cocaine dealer selling cocaine?AussieReaper wrote:
Who was the victim in the case of this woman selling $31 of weed?lowing wrote:
Well Jaekus....My question was primarily directed at the board, not specifically you. THat is why I said "THEIR" argument and not JAEKUS's argument. I hope that cleared up any misunderstanding.Jaekus wrote:
Actually that was not my argument at all.
At this rate you need to either learn to read properly or exit this discussion to save some measure of dignity.
I'd be personally embarrassed at the amount of ignorance you're displaying.
I also take note that those that did claim drug dealing was a victimless crime are not coming here to answer my question.
ya see what I am getting at here? You can not have it both ways. You can not say this small time drug dealer wasn't hurting anyone and therefore should not be charged or should not be punished so severe, and then say the big time deal should go to jail for a long time with a different argument.
You have to pick one, is drugs a victimless crime or isn't it? Amount of drugs does not matter, the guy snorting cocaine I am sure was not going to snort all 36 kilos, it was going to be distributed, just like the marijuana did not start as 31 dollars worth, it probably started as several blocks somewhere up the line as well.
Last edited by lowing (2011-05-21 00:53:50)
Huh?lowing wrote:
oh so drug dealing is NOT a victimless crime...got it.Jaekus wrote:
Are you trolling or are you genuinely that naive?lowing wrote:
drug dealing, a victimless endeavor right? where is the crime?
Growing a plant and selling it to some stoner is worlds apart from trafficking refined cocaine made by drug barons in South American countries where people are killed on a daily basis directly due to gang related wars.
You're putting words in my mouth, and then arguing against them.
No wonder the forum thinks you're some breed of weirdo.
One person said it was a victimless crime, after you were the first to say it when quoting a post of mine.lowing wrote:
Well Jaekus....My question was primarily directed at the board, not specifically you. THat is why I said "THEIR" argument and not JAEKUS's argument. I hope that cleared up any misunderstanding.Jaekus wrote:
Actually that was not my argument at all.lowing wrote:
Sorry Aussie that was not their argument. Their argument was drugs was a victimless crime. A relationship between a seller and a user. No one else is involved, so, my question stands.
At this rate you need to either learn to read properly or exit this discussion to save some measure of dignity.
I'd be personally embarrassed at the amount of ignorance you're displaying.
I also take note that those that did claim drug dealing was a victimless crime are not coming here to answer my question.
I think you need to brush up your english mate, your comprehension of it is pretty docile at best.
Last edited by Jaekus (2011-05-21 00:55:43)
Oh sorry, I thought you were considering those people killed by drug traffickers as victims......my mistake for the assumption.Jaekus wrote:
Huh?lowing wrote:
oh so drug dealing is NOT a victimless crime...got it.Jaekus wrote:
Are you trolling or are you genuinely that naive?
Growing a plant and selling it to some stoner is worlds apart from trafficking refined cocaine made by drug barons in South American countries where people are killed on a daily basis directly due to gang related wars.
You're putting words in my mouth, and then arguing against them.
No wonder the forum thinks you're some breed of weirdo.