lol okay.Winston_Churchill wrote:
but it certainly raises awareness for certain issues which is what they were aiming to do. it got you talking about it and a helluva lot of others so id say it worked.
What issue specifically? Rape? Everyone knows about rape. Sluts? Everyone knows about sluts. This sort of thing only raises confusion if you ask me.Winston_Churchill wrote:
and it doesnt necessarily cause immediate change, but it certainly raises awareness for certain issues which is what they were aiming to do. it got you talking about it and a helluva lot of others so id say it worked.
the fact that wearing certain types of clothing makes rape admissible in a court of law. thats pretty obscene to me.
Where's this happening?Winston_Churchill wrote:
the fact that wearing certain types of clothing makes rape admissible in a court of law. thats pretty obscene to me.
Comes up in 4.4% of cases, works as a defense probably almost never.
Doesn't matter anyway since in a free legal system a person can use anything as a defense.
meh
Doesn't matter anyway since in a free legal system a person can use anything as a defense.
meh
The scenario you described would be considered inciting violence.Blue Herring wrote:
It was a serious response. Making a fuss over some practical advice demonstrates the stupidity of the whole affair.Jaekus wrote:
Nice troll.Blue Herring wrote:
I totally agree with these women, I personally like to go to NAACP rallies dressed as an SS officer with a Nazi Eagle pinned to my chest, and the thought that I would have be accused "asking for it" when I get mobbed by the crowd scares the crap out of me. Just because I go to such a place dressed such a way does not mean I was looking for that kind of response.
Back to the serious comments please.
Pretty sure if a woman dresses sexy she wants attention, to choose who she sleeps with, not to get raped.
If a woman dresses that way and gets a lot of unwanted attention then it is her fault. If a guy rapes her, it's his fault. She still has rights too.
"The scenario you described would be considered inciting violence. "
Not in the U.S. It would be considered counter protesting and protected under the 1st.
I don't agree with what he said but whatever. Just pointing out stuff.
Not in the U.S. It would be considered counter protesting and protected under the 1st.
I don't agree with what he said but whatever. Just pointing out stuff.
Actually yeah I just thought that after I posted and was about to edit it. If violence is acted out towards then the person initiating it is at fault, obviously.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breaki … 89424.html
And with a quick google I saw a few other cases where similar outcomes occurred. Not that that matters, if it works even just once thats one too many times. Its ridiculous that wearing something makes rape permissible.
And with a quick google I saw a few other cases where similar outcomes occurred. Not that that matters, if it works even just once thats one too many times. Its ridiculous that wearing something makes rape permissible.
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I would incite feelings of rage...Jaekus wrote:
The scenario you described would be considered inciting violence.
As she incited feelings of.. well rage (which rapists usually feel towards women) and lust. Even if there was just one guy I was trying to piss off, it doesn't always work out that way.Pretty sure if a woman dresses sexy she wants attention, to choose who she sleeps with, not to get raped.
I don't know where I said she didn't nor where I said the rapist should get away with it. I was talking in context of prevention not blame.If a woman dresses that way and gets a lot of unwanted attention then it is her fault. If a guy rapes her, it's his fault. She still has rights too.
Well I don't know all the details but in the context which it's presented then yeah, that's pretty messed up. Again, though, the article doesn't go into much detail of what she did to him specifically. One second it says she initiated and in the next it says she just dressed a certain way.Winston_Churchill wrote:
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Appeal-filed-in-controversial-rape-decision-118189424.html
And with a quick google I saw a few other cases where similar outcomes occurred. Not that that matters, if it works even just once thats one too many times. Its ridiculous that wearing something makes rape permissible.
Ok, well I read it as blame, probably because that Canadian officer's tone is about blame.
And yes, I did amend the first quote in a later post.
And yes, I did amend the first quote in a later post.
How so?Jaekus wrote:
Ok, well I read it as blame, probably because that Canadian officer's tone is about blame.
His comment suggested that women are victimized by how they dress, like it's their fault. He has since apologized for his comment however.Blue Herring wrote:
How so?Jaekus wrote:
Ok, well I read it as blame, probably because that Canadian officer's tone is about blame.
I would say women should avoid situations where they put themselves in danger, rather than telling them not to dress like sluts. Puts the implication that victims if sexual assault incited it. I'd say that would be the minority, plus dressing like a "slut" is subjective to a degree.
I don't think he meant it that way, it seemed much more as a simple warning.Jaekus wrote:
His comment suggested that women are victimized by how they dress, like it's their fault.
Of course he has.He has since apologized for his comment however.
It probably has that impact because of choice in the word "slut" which honestly was somewhat of a flop. If he had said "Women should avoid dressing provocatively in certain places" I doubt it would have such a following. Kinda sad that people have to watch their choice of words so much in modern day but that's the world we live in.I would say women should avoid situations where they put themselves in danger, rather than telling them not to dress like sluts. Puts the implication that victims if sexual assault incited it. I'd say that would be the minority, plus dressing like a "slut" is subjective to a degree.
Slut has a lot of connotations too it, ie. a woman is promiscuous with low standards. A woman can dress provocatively and still not be considered a slut.
And of course he didn't mean it that way but that is how it came out.
And of course he didn't mean it that way but that is how it came out.
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If he didn't mean it that way, why is it such a big deal? It seems like, at that point, it's a crusade against an ideology he didn't even hold.Jaekus wrote:
Slut has a lot of connotations too it, ie. a woman is promiscuous with low standards. A woman can dress provocatively and still not be considered a slut.
And of course he didn't mean it that way but that is how it came out.
Never ceases to amaze me how women spend billions of dollars a year on make up hair care, boob jobs, cosmetic surgeries, clothes etc, all to look more attractive and irresistible, and when they get the attention they are panning for, they are offended and want to sue.Jay wrote:
Umm, why? They're right. Why on earth would you blame the victim? Do you feel women should wear burqas so men aren't tempted? Perhaps a return to the Victorian Age and a bit of ankle porn would serve you well.Stimey wrote:
Fuck feminists so hard.
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/955 … e-slutwalk
http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comm … _faq_sheet
Discuss feminism.
Please. Anyone who blames the victim for their rape is a moron. If you can't control yourself, do the world a favor and chop off your balls.
Although to the letter of the law, these women are correct and I would never use "they asked for it", towards an acquittal, the fact is, by drawing that sexual attention toward you, knowing how some men can not control themselves, you are in effect asking for it.
If you leave your car windows down and your purse on the seat while you window shop, you are asking to get robbed. If you strut around in a miniskirt with your tits hanging out and act like a slut, chances are, you might be treated like one.
The one in blue on the left, I can totally make out the shape of her nose, has she no shame??!!Jay wrote:
I take you for a guy that likes blue...Blue Herring wrote:
I totally agree with these women, I personally like to go to NAACP rallies dressed as an SS officer with a Nazi Eagle pinned to my chest, and the thought that I would have be accused "asking for it" when I get mobbed by the crowd scares the crap out of me. Just because I go to such a place dressed such a way does not mean I was looking for that kind of response.
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I meant of course now he's explained himself he didn't mean it that way. I guess many are cynical about explanation.Blue Herring wrote:
If he didn't mean it that way, why is it such a big deal? It seems like, at that point, it's a crusade against an ideology he didn't even hold.Jaekus wrote:
Slut has a lot of connotations too it, ie. a woman is promiscuous with low standards. A woman can dress provocatively and still not be considered a slut.
And of course he didn't mean it that way but that is how it came out.
Sorry, getting a cold, at work and posting from my phone. Not the most ideal manner in which to have this discussion.
But in saying that I think the whole idea of Slutwalk is taking it to extremes. There are better ways to raise awareness of sexual assault IMO. But clearly this is something many feel passionate about. And to some end it has achieved its purpose.
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This.Stimey wrote:
This is why I said fuck them at the start of this thread.Macbeth wrote:
I know people protest over meaningless things all the time. It's just...I can't take youth protest seriously these days. At all. And the fact that your friends went to two other rallies that same week kinda confirm the stereotype I have in my head of privileged college kids protesting for fun.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldhaveyou … utwalk.jpg
Changing the world tehehehe
http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles … 1-0419.JPG
hahaha we're making a difference.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Art … lk-007.jpg
serious change is coming hehehe
Obviously rape is a serious problem when its legitimate. However, when some dumb cunt is playing "How many dicks can I fit in my alcohol riddled vagina this weekend?" and wakes up next to an ugly guy and calls it "Rape" I think there is a serious problem. And that's the category I think most of these girls fall under.
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Or at least its the only ones that have RSVP'd on my facebook
People have a duty of care to look after themselves. If they deliberately put themselves in a situation where bad things happen then they are at least partially responsible.
Im not by any means saying that rapists are not responsible for their actions because they completely are and should definitely not get off lightly.
I dont know its a difficult split. I guess ultimately there are rapists in the world and there's a good chance you will come across one at some point. The question is why do you want to encourage them? Id imagine it would be better to minimise the possibility by not being half naked, drunk and on your own, rather than just rely on them getting caught after the damage has been done.
Also there is a problem with people being falsely convicted as its difficult to prove a drunken one night was consensual.
It is harder to prove it was rape than prove consent. Innocent until proven guilty and all that jazz...
Will be going.
Can only be great place to pick up sluts.
Can only be great place to pick up sluts.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Not always.Jaekus wrote:
It is harder to prove it was rape than prove consent. Innocent until proven guilty and all that jazz...
Rape is notoriously hard to convict on but this doesn't mean that people are never wrongly convicted.
By that logic, strippers get what they deserve if they are raped.lowing wrote:
Never ceases to amaze me how women spend billions of dollars a year on make up hair care, boob jobs, cosmetic surgeries, clothes etc, all to look more attractive and irresistible, and when they get the attention they are panning for, they are offended and want to sue.Jay wrote:
Umm, why? They're right. Why on earth would you blame the victim? Do you feel women should wear burqas so men aren't tempted? Perhaps a return to the Victorian Age and a bit of ankle porn would serve you well.Stimey wrote:
Fuck feminists so hard.
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/955 … e-slutwalk
http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comm … _faq_sheet
Discuss feminism.
Please. Anyone who blames the victim for their rape is a moron. If you can't control yourself, do the world a favor and chop off your balls.
Although to the letter of the law, these women are correct and I would never use "they asked for it", towards an acquittal, the fact is, by drawing that sexual attention toward you, knowing how some men can not control themselves, you are in effect asking for it.
If you leave your car windows down and your purse on the seat while you window shop, you are asking to get robbed. If you strut around in a miniskirt with your tits hanging out and act like a slut, chances are, you might be treated like one.
It doesn't matter what a woman wears. She could walk down the street nude for all I care. If you can't control yourself it's your own fault, not hers. If you're that sexually repressed that you don't feel that you can control yourself then the problem lies with you, not the rest of society.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat