BF2S Forums question for the religious fanatics

When I'm infallible, I'll let you know if that was a good decision or not.

Stingray24 wrote:

If you created the universe, you'd make the rules for it right?  As to the pious, there are more options than the two presented.

So you're saying that there are no moral standards other than God's will: without God's commands, nothing would be right or wrong?

So thinking of God as a wise and rational being, one who always acts on good reasons only, is false. Because the acts first and the reason becomes good afterwards.

And you're also arguing that that anything could become good, and anything could become bad, merely upon God's command.

If God had so decided, then an action which is right today could easily become wrong tomorrow, if God so decides. He could make rape a completely morally right thing to do, for instance.

If all morality is a matter of God's will, then if God does not exist, there is no morality. Everything is permissible.

You don't see a problem in any of the above?

Oh man I wish that lil joker who made this planet would come down and visit earth some day to say hello. About 99,99% of all religions would go down the toilet that very second.

Also what was that hamster thingy? I've heard it but can't remember.

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Next time I see a fanatic I'll ask him for you. If you'd like a religious opinion I can give you one though.

Aren't all men gay, considering Eve was created from Adams rib?

Uzique wrote:

this forum is full of so much awful that it makes richard dawkins look like a genius

Stingray24 wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

If you created the universe, you'd make the rules for it right?  As to the pious, there are more options than the two presented.

So you're saying that there are no moral standards other than God's will: without God's commands, nothing would be right or wrong?

So thinking of God as a wise and rational being, one who always acts on good reasons only, is false. Because the acts first and the reason becomes good afterwards.

And you're also arguing that that anything could become good, and anything could become bad, merely upon God's command.

If God had so decided, then an action which is right today could easily become wrong tomorrow, if God so decides. He could make rape a completely morally right thing to do, for instance.

If all morality is a matter of God's will, then if God does not exist, there is no morality. Everything is permissible.

You don't see a problem in any of the above?

No, you assume to much.  Restating Plato overlooks other valid options regarding God and His decisions.

What other valid options are there?

Or can you at least answer a fairly simple question:

Can God create a rock so heavy that even He could not lift it?

No he isn't physical.

RTHKI wrote:

this is a shit thread. its all one shit debate based on assumptions

thanks! will you be our guide?

Jay wrote:

Close this godawful thread.

AussieReaper, what is your retarded ass trying to prove here? That you're smarter than someone because you have a different belief set? Fuck off.

(so much for being liberal and open-minded eh?)

What does being liberal have to do with open-mindedness?

And who says I'm smarter than these guys? I certainly haven't.

Clown.

lib·er·al
   [lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2.
( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3.
of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4.
favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5.
favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6.
of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7.
free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8.
open-minded or tolerant, especially free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9.
characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10.
given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
11.
not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12.
of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13.
of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.

And yes, I'm fully aware that the term in politics now means authoritarianism rather than freedom. It's always annoyed me that the term was co-opted and now represents its antonym.

Last edited by Jay (2011-05-05 19:15:50)