Macbeth
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Not to mention the lack of communication between the US and Pakistan forces would probably lead to some kind of conflict.
You know we blow up people in Pakistan all the time right?

My bad I was going by an ABC article that was being cited by CNN, and others.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6751|Long Island, New York

Macbeth wrote:

Not to mention the lack of communication between the US and Pakistan forces would probably lead to some kind of conflict.
You know we blow up people in Pakistan all the time right?

My bad I was going by an ABC article that was being cited by CNN, and others.
And you think none of the decision to use ST6 was based on civilian casualties at all?

Do you know how bad it would've gone over if we'd killed 40 civilians to get one man who was largely just a figurehead at this point?
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5799

I'm fairly certain nobody gives a shit about Paki civilians enough that they wouldn't have accepted the "It would be too dangerous to send troops in" excuse.

But whatever I didn't say "And you think none of the decision to use ST6 was based on civilian casualties at all?"

Last edited by Macbeth (2011-05-04 16:59:10)

KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,978|6846|949

Supposedly it was based on the desire to be able to recover the body.


@lowing: i don't know, i forgot already
13urnzz
Banned
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Macbeth wrote:

I'm fairly certain nobody gives a shit about Paki civilians enough that they wouldn't have accepted the "It would be too dangerous to send troops in" excuse.
they did send troops, SEAL team 6 . . .
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6682

Macbeth wrote:

Not to mention the lack of communication between the US and Pakistan forces would probably lead to some kind of conflict.
You know we blow up people in Pakistan all the time right?

My bad I was going by an ABC article that was being cited by CNN, and others.

Some cunt in the above article's comments section wrote:

President Obama is one of the worst president in history. Not only bashing Bush but for making empty promises and triple our debt. Now so close to finish his first term and knowing his popularity is down he came up with this. That Osama bin laden is death. There is NO proof of that. Except for the words of the soldiers that "killed him" which by the way they are under the command of president Obama. This is a comspiracy so he can get re-elected.
Should I laugh or cry?
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6751|Long Island, New York

Macbeth wrote:

I'm fairly certain nobody gives a shit about Paki civilians enough that they wouldn't have accepted the "It would be too dangerous to send troops in" excuse.
Uh, no. Every time the US kills civilians they get shit on by some news outlet. By sending in one of the highest trained SpecOps squads to take him out, you ensure that innocent civilians in the area wouldn't have died. The process the military has to go through to prevent civilian casualties is pretty much ridiculous and they're not just going to pull the trigger on a JDAM and attempt to make excuses for it in a press conference. Maybe if this were 1944, sure.

Oh and in regards to your whole "it was nothing but college kids" argument, wrong as well. At least to my knowledge I'm the only person from this forum who went to either Ground Zero or the White House right after it happened, and the WTC site was flooded with members of Engine 10 (with radios on hand in case a call came in), police officers, taxi drivers, older men and women (some even brought pets for some reason), stock brokers and businessmen/women, members of the military, and so many other people. It wasn't just young college kids. From my 20-30 mins there before it started getting too crowded, I'd say 90% of the crowd was 25 or over.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6904|Tampa Bay Florida

Macbeth wrote:

So Obama ordered a raid instead of a drone strike because he wanted proof, for the American public, that they killed Osama but now refuses to release the pictures of the body or the raid video. Uh huh.
From a national security stand point, what the doubters say is irrelevant... they needed dna evidence to make sure it was him... not so they could release a photo of brains splattered over a carpet.
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6711

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Not to mention the lack of communication between the US and Pakistan forces would probably lead to some kind of conflict.
You know we blow up people in Pakistan all the time right?

My bad I was going by an ABC article that was being cited by CNN, and others.

Some cunt in the above article's comments section wrote:

President Obama is one of the worst president in history. Not only bashing Bush but for making empty promises and triple our debt. Now so close to finish his first term and knowing his popularity is down he came up with this. That Osama bin laden is death. There is NO proof of that. Except for the words of the soldiers that "killed him" which by the way they are under the command of president Obama. This is a comspiracy so he can get re-elected.
Should I laugh or cry?

Glen Beck wrote:

"so, obama get's a 9% bump in ratings? a sitting republican president would have got a 9% bump in ratings. a shoe would have gotten a 9% bump in ratings . . ."

Stephen Colbert wrote:

"A shoe would get a 9% bump in ratings?

https://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1191/imagesqtbnand9gcqzvi1lp.jpg

The shoe should run as a republican, at least it knows how to run."
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6682

burnzz wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Macbeth wrote:


You know we blow up people in Pakistan all the time right?

My bad I was going by an ABC article that was being cited by CNN, and others.

Some cunt in the above article's comments section wrote:

President Obama is one of the worst president in history. Not only bashing Bush but for making empty promises and triple our debt. Now so close to finish his first term and knowing his popularity is down he came up with this. That Osama bin laden is death. There is NO proof of that. Except for the words of the soldiers that "killed him" which by the way they are under the command of president Obama. This is a comspiracy so he can get re-elected.
Should I laugh or cry?

Glen Beck wrote:

"so, obama get's a 9% bump in ratings? a sitting republican president would have got a 9% bump in ratings. a shoe would have gotten a 9% bump in ratings . . ."

Stephen Colbert wrote:

"A shoe would get a 9% bump in ratings?

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1191/ima … zvi1lp.jpg

The shoe should run as a republican, at least it knows how to run."
As much as I hate Glenn Beck, he's right about this.

And Colbert's right to, a shoe would be better than whomever the Republicans could put out.*












*That sentence was off-topic, don't respond to it.
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5799

Poseidon wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

I'm fairly certain nobody gives a shit about Paki civilians enough that they wouldn't have accepted the "It would be too dangerous to send troops in" excuse.
Uh, no. Every time the US kills civilians they get shit on by some news outlet. By sending in one of the highest trained SpecOps squads to take him out, you ensure that innocent civilians in the area wouldn't have died. The process the military has to go through to prevent civilian casualties is pretty much ridiculous and they're not just going to pull the trigger on a JDAM and attempt to make excuses for it in a press conference. Maybe if this were 1944, sure.

Oh and in regards to your whole "it was nothing but college kids" argument, wrong as well. At least to my knowledge I'm the only person from this forum who went to either Ground Zero or the White House right after it happened, and the WTC site was flooded with members of Engine 10 (with radios on hand in case a call came in), police officers, taxi drivers, older men and women (some even brought pets for some reason), stock brokers and businessmen/women, members of the military, and so many other people. It wasn't just young college kids. From my 20-30 mins there before it started getting too crowded, I'd say 90% of the crowd was 25 or over.
[    ] I mentioned the WTC site
[ X ] I mentioned the White house.

[    ] I said ''it was nothing but college kids''
[ X ] I didn't say ''it was nothing but college kids"

[    ] I said civilians had nothing to do with the decision
[ X ] I said the primary reason a raid was chosen was for proof

BF2s: pro debaters
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6751|Long Island, New York
Yeah because I'm sure you weren't referencing the celebrations as a whole.

Nice backtrack.
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5799

Spearhead wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

So Obama ordered a raid instead of a drone strike because he wanted proof, for the American public, that they killed Osama but now refuses to release the pictures of the body or the raid video. Uh huh.
From a national security stand point, what the doubters say is irrelevant... they needed dna evidence to make sure it was him... not so they could release a photo of brains splattered over a carpet.
I don't care for the doubters either. I mostly take offense to the "let's not upset Muslims" thing and the weak backtracking the admin took.
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5451|Cleveland, Ohio

Macbeth wrote:

I mostly take offense to the "let's not upset Muslims" thing
agree
13rin
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13rin wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/471009 … ze=620x400
Doesn't look like a Chinook

Nevermind.
It was a blackhawk.
No shit...

It was stealth blackhawk...
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
13rin
Member
+977|6693
and we took out all coms.  Woah.. US rocks.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6985|PNW

burnzz wrote:

Stephen Colbert wrote:

"A shoe would get a 9% bump in ratings?



The shoe should run as a republican, at least it knows how to run."
I think this deserves its own poll.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6904|Tampa Bay Florida
So, somewhere in the world, there is a US Navy Seal who has the personal satisfaction of knowing he killed osama.

Kind of mind blowing when you think of it.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6985|PNW

Wouldn't it be just the ultimate if said SEAL was a Muslim?
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5687|Ventura, California

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Wouldn't it be just the ultimate if said SEAL was a Muslim?
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6904|Tampa Bay Florida

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Wouldn't it be just the ultimate if said SEAL was a Muslim?
AND is a flamboyant homosexual!!
eleven bravo
Member
+1,399|5473|foggy bottom

Spearhead wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Wouldn't it be just the ultimate if said SEAL was a Muslim?
AND is a flamboyant homosexual!!
thats already implied by the navy factor
Tu Stultus Es
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6904|Tampa Bay Florida

eleven bravo wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Wouldn't it be just the ultimate if said SEAL was a Muslim?
AND is a flamboyant homosexual!!
thats already implied by the navy factor
I was thinking of saying that myself, but was afraid a team of seals would get pissed and come to my house in stealth helicopters and kill me, take my body, and dump me into the gulf of mexico.
eleven bravo
Member
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youve got a good ten years before that happens
Tu Stultus Es
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6904|Tampa Bay Florida
btw, bin laden and his family were blazed out of their minds, listening to bob marley when they were killed.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/05/bi … ana_i.html

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