don’t forget spain literally genociding entire civilisations in south america in the name of christianity, motivated by a lust for worldly power and gold.Larssen wrote:
How the fuck do you juxtapose judaism as a warlike religion, against 'peaceful' christianity with stuff like, oh I don't know, the CRUSADES, the inquisition, the persecution of eastern european pagans, the destruction of native cultures everywhere by zealous missionaries?
How did you ever get through secondary school
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I don't care about this Judaism debate but will just say that even though Christians in medieval times and elsewhere didn't always live up to the words of Christ, the fact that Christianity and it's ideas of 'love thy neighbor' was the prevailing religion of Europe kind of dispels the idea that people before World War 2 were totally okay with death and destruction towards all.
people in the us beating their chests proudly about how they're "old testament" christians, lol
This makes no sense in the face of the fact that people sought and argued religious justification for war, death and murder. To say christianity is or was simply about 'love thy neighbor' doesn't quite jive with much of medieval christian history at all.SuperJail Warden wrote:
I don't care about this Judaism debate but will just say that even though Christians in medieval times and elsewhere didn't always live up to the words of Christ, the fact that Christianity and it's ideas of 'love thy neighbor' was the prevailing religion of Europe kind of dispels the idea that people before World War 2 were totally okay with death and destruction towards all.
The point is christianity does teach "love thy neighbour", what people do after that isn't really a problem with the religion.
Judaism on the other hand teaches "kill thy neighbour and steal his stuff, your forebears will be proud"
Judaism on the other hand teaches "kill thy neighbour and steal his stuff, your forebears will be proud"
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As a fan of Newtonian relativity I don't see a problem.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
people in the us beating their chests proudly about how they're "old testament" christians, lol
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Trick question Dilbert: the ten commandments. Who came down the mountain with them and was he jewish or not?Dilbert_X wrote:
The point is christianity does teach "love thy neighbour", what people do after that isn't really a problem with the religion.
Judaism on the other hand teaches "kill thy neighbour and steal his stuff, your forebears will be proud"
This is a core tenet of their lore now, and history is repeating thanks to their divine right.Dilbert_X wrote:
Pretty funny to be carrying a tablet with "Thou shalt not kill" engraved on it in the vanguard of your army as a token of divine right to slaughter all before you.
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I am not saying the ten commandments don't matter but there is vast Christian theology around how much of the Old Testament doesn't apply to Christians.Larssen wrote:
Trick question Dilbert: the ten commandments. Who came down the mountain with them and was he jewish or not?Dilbert_X wrote:
The point is christianity does teach "love thy neighbour", what people do after that isn't really a problem with the religion.
Judaism on the other hand teaches "kill thy neighbour and steal his stuff, your forebears will be proud"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christi … d_CovenantRabbinic Jews[1] assert that Moses presented the Jewish religious laws to the Jewish people and that those laws do not apply to Gentiles (including Christians), with the exception of the Seven Laws of Noah, which (according to Rabbinic teachings) apply to all people.
Most Christian groups believe that of the Old Covenant, only parts dealing with the moral law (as opposed to ceremonial law) are still applicable, others believe that none apply, dual-covenant theologians believe that the Old Covenant remains valid only for Jews, and a minority hold the view that all parts still apply to believers in Jesus and in the New Covenant.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SupersessionismIn Christianity, supersessionism is a theological view on the current status of the church in relation to the Jewish people and Judaism.[1] It holds the view that the Christian Church has succeeded the Israelites as the definitive people of God[1][2][3] or it holds the view that the New Covenant has replaced or superseded the Mosaic covenant.[4] From a supersessionist's "point of view, just by continuing to exist [outside the Church], the Jews dissent".[5] This view directly contrasts with dual-covenant theology which holds that the Mosaic covenant remains valid for Jews.
So while the Jews were running around Judea murdering people so commonly that their political movement later became the basis for the word 'assassin' in Romance languages, the early Christians were having meetings whereupon they agreed to break with Jewish tradition.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicarii
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_JerusalemThe council decided that Gentile converts to Christianity were not obligated to keep most of the fasts, and other specific rituals, including the rules concerning circumcision of males. The Council did, however, retain the prohibitions on eating blood, meat containing blood, and meat of animals that were strangled, and on fornication and idolatry, sometimes referred to as the Apostolic Decree or Jerusalem Quadrilateral.
Tl;Dr : quoting the Old Testament at Christians as a gotcha is as ignorant as someone quoting the Bible at someone verbatim.
doesn’t the term assassin come from arabic, and was actually used towards shia muslims first? i thought it came from hashish-eaters ... which is really a self-diss on yourself more than jews.
Zealot certainly applies to jews.
noun
1.a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.
Similar:
fanatic
enthusiast
extremist
radical
Young Turk
diehard
activist
militant
bigot
dogmatist
sectarian
partisan
fiend
maniac
ultra
nut
Opposite:
moderate
2.HISTORICAL a member of an ancient Jewish sect that aimed at a world Jewish theocracy and resisted the Romans until AD 70.
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Fun times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealots
noun
1.a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.
Similar:
fanatic
enthusiast
extremist
radical
Young Turk
diehard
activist
militant
bigot
dogmatist
sectarian
partisan
fiend
maniac
ultra
nut
Opposite:
moderate
2.HISTORICAL a member of an ancient Jewish sect that aimed at a world Jewish theocracy and resisted the Romans until AD 70.
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Fun times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealots
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doesn’t the term assassin come from arabic, and was actually used towards shia muslims first? i thought it came from hashish-eaters ... which is really a self-diss on yourself more than jews.
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So while the Jews were running around Judea murdering people so commonly that their political movement later became the basis for the word 'assassin' in Romance languages,
The Sicarii (Modern Hebrew: סיקריים siqariyim) were a splinter group of the Jewish Zealots who, in the decades preceding Jerusalem's destruction in 70 CE, strongly opposed the Roman occupation of Judea and attempted to expel them and their sympathizers from the area.[1] The Sicarii carried sicae, or small daggers, concealed in their cloaks.[2] At public gatherings, they pulled out these daggers to attack Romans and Roman sympathizers alike, blending into the crowd after the deed to escape detection.
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In Latin, Sicarii is the plural form of Sicarius "dagger-man", "dagger-wielder". Sica, possibly from Proto-Albanian *tsikā (whence Albanian thika, "knife"), from Proto-Indo-European *ḱey- ("to sharpen") possibly via Illyrian.[5][6] In later Latin usage, "sicarius" was also the standard term for a murderer (see, e.g., the Lex Cornelia de Sicariis et Veneficiis),[7] and to this day "sicario" is a salaried assassin in Spanish[8] and a commissioned murderer in Italian[9] and in Portuguese.[10]
interesting. was familiar with sicari as daggers but assassin definitely comes from arabic.
It's as though you were too dimwitted to follow the discussion on morality and history so you just went off on a tangent about teh jews. What's hilarious is that you somehow do appear to have some form of respect/esteem for christianity. Dilbert, literally ALL negative aspects you can list about judaism can and will apply to christianity as well. You would know this if you just opened a goddamn wikipedia page.Dilbert_X wrote:
This is a core tenet of their lore now, and history is repeating thanks to their divine right.Dilbert_X wrote:
Pretty funny to be carrying a tablet with "Thou shalt not kill" engraved on it in the vanguard of your army as a token of divine right to slaughter all before you.
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You can only be born into Judaism. For all of the faults of Islam, at least you can convert into it and have a chance there. There is no compromising or living with the Jews. And the Germans too.
iirc from reading years back, they will take new Jews but you have to take a test. Might depend on the group of Jews. If they're still a little standoffish even if you manage to get in, I mean same goes for some Christians and their new church members.
I suppose I'll tell my aunt she isn't a real Jew. I'm sure that will go over well.
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Serious chat.
NSFW: https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout … y_mimosas/
Scariest and saddest thing I have seen in awhile. It's horrifying how quickly life can change on you.
NSFW: https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout … y_mimosas/
Scariest and saddest thing I have seen in awhile. It's horrifying how quickly life can change on you.
Didn't click the link but I was just sent that video in a group text.
I think the key takeaway here is, these are unfortunate byproducts of content creation. When doing it for the #gram goes wrong. Not saying that people don't do stupid things regardless, but I was never stupid enough to put it on film.
I think the key takeaway here is, these are unfortunate byproducts of content creation. When doing it for the #gram goes wrong. Not saying that people don't do stupid things regardless, but I was never stupid enough to put it on film.
there is literally no reason for anyone to watch videos like that. your addiction and subscriptions to them is really weird.
remember that it’s largely alcohol which fills A&E wards with people every weekend, putting a huge toll on emergency services and public health systems. another advertisement for a perfectly safe drug with no potential hazards. like loosened inhibitions and recklessness.
remember that it’s largely alcohol which fills A&E wards with people every weekend, putting a huge toll on emergency services and public health systems. another advertisement for a perfectly safe drug with no potential hazards. like loosened inhibitions and recklessness.
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remember that it’s largely alcohol which fills A&E wards with people every weekend, putting a huge toll on emergency services and public health systems. another advertisement for a perfectly safe drug with no potential hazards. like loosened inhibitions and recklessness.
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I couldn't give a shit about christianity, but at least it doesn't explicitly instruct its followers they can rob, rape and murder anyone the like, and fill their heads with lore to back it up.Larssen wrote:
literally ALL negative aspects you can list about judaism can and will apply to christianity as well. You would know this if you just opened a goddamn wikipedia page.
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except that 'the ends justify the means' and other such consequentialism was literally the underpinning of the jesuits' type of catholicism.Dilbert_X wrote:
I couldn't give a shit about christianity, but at least it doesn't explicitly instruct its followers they can rob, rape and murder anyone the like, and fill their heads with lore to back it up.Larssen wrote:
literally ALL negative aspects you can list about judaism can and will apply to christianity as well. You would know this if you just opened a goddamn wikipedia page.
'exitus acta probat' said ignatius of loyola, one of the most influential christians of the entire middle ages.
this led to centuries of 'robbing, rapine and murder', mostly of central and south america, but also of the wrong sort of christian or nonbeliever in europe.The Jesuits are variously suspected or denounced as the agents of the Antichrist because of their dedication and loyalty. Not unworthy attributes in themselves but in the context of the late medieval religious warfare and the antagonism of the papacy to the Reformation, their multifaceted skills took on a much darker hue. The rules or `Institutes` of the Jesuits have never been published in full, containing as they will numerous Papal Bulls showing the inner workings of the day. But three basic doctrines were employed that allowed or justified (to themselves) their ability to do anything whatsoever:
1. The ends justifies the means.
the christian church, as a haidmaiden to empire and colonialism and worldly power, was so oppressive to latin america that it had its own theological renascence and, in place of 'ends justify the means' and other machiavellianisms, contributed a new branch: 'liberation theology'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
why would the christian church need to develop liberation theology if it had been a benevolent, benign institution for 2,000 years?
it's almost as if you don't know a fucking thing about theology and just hate jews.
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Lets agree to not call catholicism christianity, that solves most problems.
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except it was christianity for most of the last 2,000 years.
you're the one who keeps invoking the long historical record with a blithe disregard for, er, the actual history.
'jesuitical' was a byword for evil and manipulative christians behaving with righteous impunity for several hundred years. we're not only talking the inquisition, here, but a whole litany of political and moral crimes.
you're the one who keeps invoking the long historical record with a blithe disregard for, er, the actual history.
'jesuitical' was a byword for evil and manipulative christians behaving with righteous impunity for several hundred years. we're not only talking the inquisition, here, but a whole litany of political and moral crimes.