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2020-09-06 09:08:24
Larssen
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Shahter - from my point of view, having seen the Kremlin at work for the past 20 years, it's clear that Putin runs his government like a maffia and has declared the west / eu / nato obstacles or at worst enemies of his own interest. He actively undermines international organisations and trade & hobbies away at proxy wars and border disputes. Meanwhile his oligarch friends are buying up media in eastern European countries and in recent years we're seeing more assassinations and barely hidden attempts to manipulate the public in other countries. We also still have close to 250 Europeans who were murdered because he decided to deploy BUK missile launchers to eastern Ukraine. It's the insidious lying that makes it all the more enraging - like the touted intervention in Syria to disperse ISIS. Daily updates on the war showed that over 90%+ of Russian air raids were on FSA forces and almost none on ISIS. Though all too often and keenly the image was projected in the media that Putin was there to 'save' the region from radicalism, yet in reality he left the Iraqis and the western coalition to deal with the ISIS problem while he did nothing but murder his way through civil war to support a dictator that used military force & chemical attacks on his own people. But hey, he presided over the destruction of Grozny in the early 2000s as well so what else can be expected.

As far as I'm concerned, perhaps we should start approaching this problem more in a 'tit-for-tat' manner. A 'strong' man like Putin can only understand strength. If it were up to me, the next time hybrid warfare tactics are deployed and/or European nationals are murdered in the name of Putin's Russia, it's time to deploy some hybrid warfare tactics on Russia and murder some Kremlin decisionmakers.
2020-09-06 09:09:53
Shahter
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uziq wrote:

"that's pretty much it". HOW did a man fall into a coma suddenly on a plane? through WHAT mechanism?
many mechanisms exist. of which assassination attempt via deliberate poisoning by a weapon grade nerve agent would be... very unlikely to say the least.

can you elaborate on the 'glucose disorder' that causes screaming agony and sudden lapse into coma?
no i can't. i'm not a specialist in the field, and afaik neither are you.
if i read the accounts of the witnesses right, there was no "creaming agony" - and, btw, it wouldn't be consistent with poisoning by a nerve agent. also, the coma is induced. are you sure you are not being fed another line of crap there, dude?

the german medics and health authorities confirmed upon his admittance to hospital that he had suffered "contamination from a cholinesterase inhibitor"
and i should believe them on their word?

a few days later they posted that they were now certain, after tests, that it was novichok.
there's no nerve agent named "novichok". the name only exists on the paged of the media. so i repeat my question: which substance has navalny been poisoned with, do you know?

what reason do you have to disbelieve them, exactly?
the same reason you have to disbelieve russian medics.

it's a strange sort of cynical double-bind, where the russian authorities say they have no intentions of investigating
they said they had no intentions of investigating rumors and accusation published in you fucking media, man. that's exactly what they said during skripal's case, and they are - formally - totally right. you want to compel a foreign government to investigate stuff - then substantiate your claims with something more then a press briefing ffs.

'whole nations that want it stopped'? yes, elaborate?
usa
ukraine
poland
baltics

like the USA? do you even understand the relationship between trump's USA and merkel/merkel's europe at the moment?
yes, i understand. merkel, however, is neither there forever, nor she's the only political force operating in there.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
2020-09-06 09:22:39
uziq
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the greens in germany are already openly opposed to nord stream. why do they need to murder a chechen in a berlin park or poison an extremely prominent russian figure? germany has electoral means to decide such questions, does it not?

so the polish government are the nefarious shadowy hand behind all these novichok poisonings? how curious ...

everyone already knows that 'novichok' is a class of chemicals with variations. are you just being pedantic or do you think you're really making some sort of point, here? there's no definitive version of 'VX' either, does that mean nobody can ever detect with certainty when a variant has been used?
2020-09-06 09:26:04
uziq
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if i read the accounts of the witnesses right, there was no "creaming agony" - and, btw, it wouldn't be consistent with poisoning by a nerve agent. also, the coma is induced. are you sure you are not being fed another line of crap there, dude?


you can hear him in agony at 00:30 seconds. what eyewitness accounts contradict this happening, exactly?

you can see him limp and unconscious at 00:40 seconds.

'not consistent with poisoning by a nerve agent'? every single description of nerve agent's effects on the internet describes severe abdominal pain ... are you just making shit up yourself? you're 'not an expert' one minute but the next you know minutely what a nerve agent poisoning does? if a victim has imbibed or consumed a lethal poison, i think intense stomach pain is a pretty foreseeable consequence, shahter.



interview from timestamp (4:05).

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2020-09-06 09:31:35
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7041|Moscow, Russia

Larssen wrote:

Shahter - from my point of view, having seen the Kremlin at work for the past 20 years, it's clear that Putin runs his government like a maffia and has declared the west / eu / nato obstacles or at worst enemies of his own interest. He actively undermines international organisations and trade & hobbies away at proxy wars and border disputes. Meanwhile his oligarch friends are buying up media in eastern European countries and in recent years we're seeing more assassinations and barely hidden attempts to manipulate the public in other countries. We also still have close to 250 Europeans who were murdered because he decided to deploy BUK missile launchers to eastern Ukraine. It's the insidious lying that makes it all the more enraging - like the touted intervention in Syria to disperse ISIS. Daily updates on the war showed that over 90%+ of Russian air raids were on FSA forces and almost none on ISIS. Though all too often and keenly the image was projected in the media that Putin was there to 'save' the region from radicalism, yet in reality he left the Iraqis and the western coalition to deal with the ISIS problem while he did nothing but murder his way through civil war to support a dictator that used military force & chemical attacks on his own people. But hey, he presided over the destruction of Grozny in the early 2000s as well so what else can be expected.
yeah, yeah. the west fights for freedom, and <insert whomever they don't like> are horrible undemocratic mafia-like oligarkh-loving blah blah blah blah...
sorry, not interested.
go look at what your "enlightened west" did to iraq, yugoslavia, lybia.

As far as I'm concerned, perhaps we should start approaching this problem more in a 'tit-for-tat' manner. A 'strong' man like Putin can only understand strength. If it were up to me, the next time hybrid warfare tactics are deployed and/or European nationals are murdered in the name of Putin's Russia, it's time to deploy some hybrid warfare tactics on Russia and murder some Kremlin decisionmakers.
yep. it's called imperialism, look it up. now they are setting us against each other using their information manipulation tools - and you are enthusiastically chewing on the crap they feed you. and later they'd have us fight each other for their profits.
it's all been done before. open your fucking eyes already.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
2020-09-06 09:48:08
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7041|Moscow, Russia

uziq wrote:

if i read the accounts of the witnesses right, there was no "creaming agony" - and, btw, it wouldn't be consistent with poisoning by a nerve agent. also, the coma is induced. are you sure you are not being fed another line of crap there, dude?
<video cut>

you can hear him in agony at 00:30 seconds.
that was him? how do you know?

what eyewitness accounts contradict this happening, exactly?
his aide who was him the whole time. she never mentioned "screaming agony".

you can see him limp and unconscious at 00:40 seconds.
yep. unconscious. was he already in a coma at that time?

also, they say putin poisons people with "radioactive nerve agents" at 00:50. seriously? you want me to listen to these people?

'not consistent with poisoning by a nerve agent'? every single description of nerve agent's effects on the internet describes severe abdominal pain ... are you just making shit up yourself? you're 'not an expert' one minute but the next you know minutely what a nerve agent poisoning does? if a victim has imbibed or consumed a lethal poison, i think intense stomach pain is a pretty foreseeable consequence, shahter.
nerve agent don't just cause pain, especially those which are designed to instantly kill large number of people. they block transmission of signals via the nerves, basically, turning everything in your system "on". screaming is a very specific act which requires at least some use of ones faculties.

<video cut>
interview from timestamp (4:05).
kara-murza... really? should i also start listening to what alex jones and the likes has to say now?

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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
2020-09-06 09:54:33
Larssen
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Shahter wrote:

Larssen wrote:

Shahter - from my point of view, having seen the Kremlin at work for the past 20 years, it's clear that Putin runs his government like a maffia and has declared the west / eu / nato obstacles or at worst enemies of his own interest. He actively undermines international organisations and trade & hobbies away at proxy wars and border disputes. Meanwhile his oligarch friends are buying up media in eastern European countries and in recent years we're seeing more assassinations and barely hidden attempts to manipulate the public in other countries. We also still have close to 250 Europeans who were murdered because he decided to deploy BUK missile launchers to eastern Ukraine. It's the insidious lying that makes it all the more enraging - like the touted intervention in Syria to disperse ISIS. Daily updates on the war showed that over 90%+ of Russian air raids were on FSA forces and almost none on ISIS. Though all too often and keenly the image was projected in the media that Putin was there to 'save' the region from radicalism, yet in reality he left the Iraqis and the western coalition to deal with the ISIS problem while he did nothing but murder his way through civil war to support a dictator that used military force & chemical attacks on his own people. But hey, he presided over the destruction of Grozny in the early 2000s as well so what else can be expected.
yeah, yeah. the west fights for freedom, and <insert whomever they don't like> are horrible undemocratic mafia-like oligarkh-loving blah blah blah blah...
sorry, not interested.
go look at what your "enlightened west" did to iraq, yugoslavia, lybia.
Oh I am not a fan of the United States, those foreign policy mishaps were of their making first and foremost. I also blame them for the abandonment of the INF treaty among other things. My second controversial opinion: NATO is brain dead and needs to be dismantled.

yep. it's called imperialism, look it up. now they are setting us against each other using their information manipulation tools - and you are enthusiastically chewing on the crap they feed you. and later they'd have us fight each other for their profits.
it's all been done before. open your fucking eyes already.
'us'? Most of these things I know through my job and professional research I've had to do. My eyes are wide open and very angry.
2020-09-06 10:12:07
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7041|Moscow, Russia

uziq wrote:

the greens in germany are already openly opposed to nord stream. why do they need to murder a chechen in a berlin park or poison an extremely prominent russian figure? germany has electoral means to decide such questions, does it not?
uh-huh. and they only ever use electoral means there.

so the polish government are the nefarious shadowy hand behind all these novichok poisonings?
i dunno.  you asked, and they are one of the "whole nations" i mentioned who openly spoke against north stream 2.

everyone already knows that 'novichok' is a class of chemicals with variations.
no. only the idiots who blindly trust the media.

are you just being pedantic or do you think you're really making some sort of point, here? there's no definitive version of 'VX' either, does that mean nobody can ever detect with certainty when a variant has been used?
"novichok" never existed as a class of anything. it is a working name of a prototype substance which was developed during a project which never came to any conclusion. the whole thing is a propaganda schtick to substantiate something which has no short and catchy name of its own. like "gulag", for example.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
2020-09-06 10:17:50
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7041|Moscow, Russia

Larssen wrote:

'us'? Most of these things I know through my job and professional research I've had to do. My eyes are wide open and very angry.
i read your walls of text here. if that's what came as a result of "professional research" you did during an actual job... well... you'll have to forgive me, but i'm not impressed. be angry at imaginary enemies all you want, just don't expect me to buy into that.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
2020-09-06 10:23:02
uziq
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so the gulags never existed either, because the label used isn't accurate? ah, let off on a technicality ... no gulag, no novichok! propaganda!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Novichok_synthesis.png

it looks like people know pretty well what this class of substances are, how they are synthesized, what they do, etc. it's not just some specious 'bogeyman' word in the media.
2020-09-06 10:29:30
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7041|Moscow, Russia

uziq wrote:

so the gulags never existed either
as a set of things, which could be bunched together under one blanket term? no.

propaganda!
yep. that's one of the ways propaganda works. tbh, i'm kinda surprised i have to explain that to you - one whos area of expertise is, supposedly, language and its use.

<pic cut>
it looks like people know pretty well what this class of substances are, how they are synthesized, what they do, etc. it's not just some specious 'bogeyman' word in the media.
i dunno. i'm not a specialist in the field, and neither are you, afaik.

Last edited by Shahter (2020-09-06 10:32:02)

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
2020-09-06 10:45:59
uziq
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Shahter wrote:

uziq wrote:

so the gulags never existed either
as a set of things, which could be bunched together under one blanket term? no.

propaganda!
yep. that's one of the ways propaganda works. tbh, i'm kinda surprised i have to explain that to you - one whos area of expertise is, supposedly, language and its use.

<pic cut>
it looks like people know pretty well what this class of substances are, how they are synthesized, what they do, etc. it's not just some specious 'bogeyman' word in the media.
i dunno. i'm not a specialist in the field, and neither are you, afaik.
you're basically saying 'novichok has never existed', when it patently has, it has even been added to the geneva convention for fuck's sake.

it's like someone saying 'acid has never existed', because there is LSD-25, 1P-LSD, ALD-52 ... any number of other synthesized alternatives and analogues. yes, there is a class of chemical weapons, termed 'novichok', which have been identified and can be traced in various derivatives. you are really bending reality here when you rely upon a pedantic language argument alone to refute 'novichok's existence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-230
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-234_(nerve_agent)

on the one hand you claim to have total ignorance of a subject; on the other you're certain a chemical 'can't be known' and is only 'a media invention'. have your cake and eat it, much? you are very confused.

so the system of soviet labour camps and penal camps didn't exist? they were independent ventures? like microbreweries and craft beer bars? proudly independent? a little boujie, is that it? why was something called the Главное управление лагерей ('Main Directorate of Camps') if they never existed as a 'system'? could you apply to the HQ and set-up a gulag franchise? like a mcdonalds?

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2020-09-06 10:58:26
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
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Larssen wrote:

I monitored the war in syria (including air strikes) between 2015 and 2016, followed the GRU hack of the DNC (among others) and receive daily updates on international security issues, often featuring russian interference. I reckon I'm far better informed than anyone here.
you are posting that^ on an internet forum which is a small surviving part of a web-site dedicated to player statistics of a video game.
why don't i trust you?..

Without fail you either completely reject or place in doubt any evidence or argument proving what sort of sycophant nightmare Putin's russia is
yep. the evidence. by people who use expressions like "radioactive nerve agents".
/facepalm

whilst also insisting that nothing he does is in any way, shape or form worse or out of the ordinary from anyone else, especially the west.
no difference. none. zilch. nada. imperialism is imperialism.

Frankly I'm beyond tired of all this shit being relegated to judicial processes of which we know the responsible russians will never be prosecuted. There's no point anyway because responsibility will be denied from the beginning and 0 cooperation given to investigators; look at MH17 or now the navalny case. It's clear it won't stop until some people drop dead.
uh-huh. should we assassinate bush and cheney now who are responsible for starting the iraqi war on bogus wmd claim? that resulted in helluva lot more deaths and disruption to the world than anything putin supposedly did. would you support that?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
2020-09-06 11:02:15
uziq
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Shahter wrote:

nerve agent don't just cause pain, especially those which are designed to instantly kill large number of people. they block transmission of signals via the nerves, basically, turning everything in your system "on". screaming is a very specific act which requires at least some use of ones faculties.
this is laughably illiterate, by the way. an agent has to cross the blood-brain barrier and actually get into the nerve synapse first, dipshit. it depends entirely on how the substance is administered. in a gas attack like sarin? yes, people will be on the floor flopping like dead fish pretty much immediately. that's because they're inhaling it and it presently enters the nervous system very fast.

novichok agents seem to come in liquid form. that means either skin contact or via the digestive system. YES it will absolutely cause agonizing stomach pain prior to the chemical agent crossing the blood-brain barrier. it has to get INTO the system first. nobody is claiming that a person fully poisoned with novichok will be consciously complaining and forming sentences. you will note that navalny was taken off the plane fully unconscious/incapacitated. descriptions of VX's effects (also a liquid agent) all list 'abdominal pain' for this simple reason.

it's like you spend all of your time muddying the truth and seeking alternative explanations, but lack even a child's comprehension of the obvious facts at hand. 'he couldn't have been poisoned because people can't scream on novichok'. just what the fuck, honestly.

are you forgetting that there are several victims of the same chemical agent in the UK, who were found in various states of confusion/unconsciousness? the substance doesn't IMMEDIATELY enter the synapse to start blocking signals, dipshit! look what happens in any number of cases where people expose themselves to fatal levels of, say, mercury toxicity or so on -- anything that interrupts the nervous system. it's not INSTANT!

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2020-09-06 11:23:52
Shahter
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uziq wrote:

you're basically saying 'novichok has never existed', when it patently has, it has even been added to the geneva convention for fuck's sake.

it's like someone saying 'acid has never existed', because there is LSD-25, 1P-LSD, ALD-52 ... any number of other synthesized alternatives and analogues. yes, there is a class of chemical weapons, termed 'novichok', which have been identified and can be traced in various derivatives. you are really bending reality here when you rely upon a pedantic language argument alone to refute 'novichok's existence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-230
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-234_(nerve_agent)

on the one hand you claim to have total ignorance of a subject; on the other you're certain a chemical 'can't be known' and is only 'a media invention'. have your cake and eat it, much? you are very confused.
so which substance has navalny been poisoned with, do you know?
more importantly, do those, who accuse putin and co of deliberately poisoning the fucktard know? and if the do, why aren't they telling? they want to compel a foreign government to investigate an incident, but use a blanket term, which doesn't really define anything - why?

why was something called the Главное управление лагерей ('Main Directorate of Camps') if they never existed as a 'system'?
the problem is with the of the use of the word. one doesn't refer to a prison by the name of its management office. and "gulag" is just that. there is a "gulag" in uk and in every other country which has penal institutions. the word have been taken - from fucking solzhenitsyn, i suspect - attached a negative connotation to it and hijacked to be used to refer specifically to any prison or penal institution one wants to present in a negative way, as if, by definition, all soviet prisons were horrible. if that's not propaganda, i don't know what is.

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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
2020-09-06 11:40:57
Shahter
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Larssen wrote:

Even if you knew what to do with that information it would still be useless. Wasn't exactly a secret that FEOS worked for USAF and did some stints in the pentagon either. I'm well aware of what I can and can't say and where, don't worry.
whatever.

now, to my bush and cheney question: do they deserve to be killed - like, i assume by your previous posts, you think putin does - or not?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
2020-09-06 11:41:43
Larssen
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At the very least I consider the invasion of Iraq a war crime.
2020-09-06 11:42:47
uziq
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people don't refer to any prison in russia as a gulag. they refer to the political system of camps set up as an instrument of the soviets. to persecute (perceived) political dissidents, repress dissent, etc. it was the authoritarian and political nature of the camps that marked them out in the western imagination. just like people refer to chinese 're-education camps' or north korean 'forced labour' camps. they are political instruments, not legal-penal ones. are you telling me that system of camps didn't exist? wasn't lenin himself originally sent to a political camp for dissidents? lol.

i do not know which substance in particular he has been poisoned with, no. but for you to make out that they have no way of 'identifying' novichok, that it doesn't 'even exist' and is some vague label for a vague substance ... no. that's deflecting bullshit. i have no reason to distrust germany, to be honest with you, i don't buy your little conspiracy theories which make no plausible sense. if the EU wanted to break off a pipeline project with russia for political reasons, they don't have to poison someone and confect a huge sensational story about top-secret soviet chemical weapons. as i said, they already had alibis in the form of dead chechens in berlin.

what seems clear to me is that russia has a pattern of poisoning people before they get on planes, with the expectation that the nerve agent will have finished them off before they can reach a hospital or ambulance for typical poisoning treatment (such as diuretic emergency transfusions, etc.). no, novichok is not instantaneous and people do not die immediately, as you make out. you are illiterate on this matter. poisoning someone before they get onto a plane is a pretty good plot, to be honest, if you're trying to keep someone away from intensive medical treatment for a few hours.
2020-09-06 11:50:28
uziq
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Larssen wrote:

At the very least I consider the invasion of Iraq a war crime.
i don’t know why he raises this. it’s like he thinks we are all as brainwashed into blind univocal patriotism as putin supporters in russia are. people in the west, in fact i’d say the VAST majority of educated voters, ‘conscientious liberals’ or whatever, simultaneously deplore the bush-era and putin in the same breath. they precisely consider people like bush and cheney and putin as part of the same problem.

this is just a bad form of argument anyway. rather than substantiating his arguments and backing up his rejections, he starts off with the whatabboutery. it’s textbook deflection. what do bush and cheney have to do with the affairs of modern russia? with the discussion of putin? must we all declare our moral virtuousness and establish our credentials as anti-iraq before we can criticise crimea? how inane.
2020-09-06 11:55:49
Larssen
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par for the course - assert some baseless conspiracy theories and watch everyone stumble over themselves engaging makebelief arguments. No burden of proof is placed on the Kremlin whatsoever, and even if it does provide some shoddy bullcrap story to support their conspiratorial claims (like in the MH17 proceedings), it again serves only to advertise mainly towards its own support base, create smoke & mirrors and preoccupy others with the dissection of obviously false arguments. The general public is inundated with conspiracy mumbo jumbo as counter arguments and because they don't (care to) read official reports or have the contextual knowledge / know how to identify the increasingly elaborate BS as BS, the conspiracy manages to live on in the public psyche regardless of its clear falsehoods. It also plays on the rational response to 'question authority' and the cynicism a substantial part of the population holds towards their own government. Et voila, as long as we keep repeating conspiracies and changing up the narrative to attack instead of defend, avoid responding to others' assertions, the general public will do the rest and good ol' Russian government can leave a cloud of confusion while it waits for all to blow over.
2020-09-06 11:59:05
Shahter
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uziq wrote:

people don't refer to any prison in russia as a gulag.
well... i suppose my english failed me again.
let's try once more: when people who do not speak russian do use the word "gulag" what do they mean?

i do not know which substance in particular he has been poisoned with, no.
okay. let me know if you find out.

but for you to make out that they have no way of 'identifying' novichok
never said or implied anything like that.

i have no reason to distrust germany, to be honest with you, i don't buy your little conspiracy theories which make no plausible sense. if the EU wanted to break off a pipeline project with russia for political reasons, they don't have to poison someone and confect a huge sensational story about top-secret soviet chemical weapons. as i said, they already had alibis in the form of dead chechens in berlin.
okay. i have reasons to distrust anyone who claims that putin and co are so utterly insane that they'd use a weapon grade nerve agent - about as suitable an assassination tool as a bullet made of wet shit - to kill an ass clown like navalny.

what seems clear to me is that russia has a pattern of poisoning people before they get on planes, with the expectation that the nerve agent will have finished them off before they can reach a hospital or ambulance for typical poisoning treatment (such as diuretic emergency transfusions, etc.). no, novichok is not instantaneous and people do not die immediately, as you make out. you are illiterate on this matter. poisoning someone before they get onto a plane is a pretty good plot, to be honest, if you're trying to keep someone away from intensive medical treatment for a few hours.
which would be logical for any other would-be assassin, not just horrible putin.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
2020-09-06 12:15:32
Shahter
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Larssen wrote:

At the very least I consider the invasion of Iraq a war crime.
very well then. you know what? - start doing something about that^, it was incomparably worse than anything russia did lately, imo. and leave putin to us, at least until you've cleaned your own lawn.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
2020-09-06 12:43:15
uziq
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what? condemnation of the iraq-afghan wars is near universal in the west. people DO want to try tony blair and bush for war crimes. opinion is widely turned against them by democrats/liberals.

what ARE you doing about putin in russia? every member of the opposition or every dissident/critic you unanimously declare ‘a piece of shit’, ‘a western puppet’, ‘small fry’, ‘a nobody’, lol. you effectively silence or discredit any russian who is actively going after putin. do you not see how funny this is? you’re like a lapdog for fascism whilst congratulating yourself on your perfect revolutionary credentials. you do all the fucking work for them!
2020-09-06 12:51:45
uziq
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it’s also hilarious that you’re citing this nord stream project as some conspiratorial alibi for germany/the baltic states to kill navalny, and you STILL haven’t addressed the HUGE unrest in belarus against your boy putin’s personal dictator. so the huge opposition in belarus has no geopolitical significance whatsoever, but a pipeline that the EU has already willingly 99% completed, without bowing to internal or american pressure, is the real reason?

there’s pretty clearly an opposition movement in belarus now that can’t be shushed away or confounded with bullshit media reports. the dictator’s reality-spinning and election-fixing is being persistently challenged and now won’t go away. i wonder what relevance that could have for putin and his own opposition movement? nah, let’s just not talk about belarus for the last 3 pages and insist that merkel and estonia are poisoning russians using spies.

note that the belarus's intelligence services, alone among nations, has 'intercepted' secret communiques between berlin and warsaw saying, i guess via text message or something, 'LoL navalny wasn't actually poisoned wuu2 tb x x'. how very CONVENIENT that the president of belarus can offer that 'intelligence' for russia at this time!

fucking LOL my guy.

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