Dilbert_X wrote:Freemasons are dying out, Lions/other volunteer clubs are dying out, sports clubs - football, tennis etc are advertising for members, the average age in most sports clubs is well over 50, pubs and live-music venues are shutting down.
Not sure what millenials do with their time, asians don't seem to do much more than waddle from noodle bar to noodle bar, its going to be a different world in 20 years.
it's sort of strange you include freemasons in that list. the others are mostly voluntary and inclusive, open to everyone. freemasons, whilst nominally 'open', is like a less accessible version of the rotary international or something. as far as medieval guild organisations go, i'm not sure modern society will miss them any more than they'll miss the worshipful company of goldsmiths or fishmongers. this reads literally like a complaint from an Old White Male that they are losing control on reality. there are plenty of official groups that young people are flocking to for membership and organisation (hint, they have names like Momentum and come with frightening progressive politics and a concern for gender equality rather than secret handshakes and insider dealing).
it's true that many old social clubs are dying out -- but new forms of social activity are replacing them. fortnite and minecraft are probably a paltry replacement for football and tennis on a balmy summer eve, but what can you do? i think the kids will be alright. they are still being social, just not in a form we recognise. sports clubs are just hangovers from the age of industrialism with industrial-scale organised fun, in any case. new economic conditions, new social arrangements, new forms of play. it's quite simple. do you really expect kids to be crowding the terraces every sunday to watch the local F.C. club play? what, do they need flat caps and whippets too? how about a daily bell to tell the factory's open? besides, i see plenty of youth teams and leagues for these sports, for those who are inclined; you can hardly say that sport is no longer still a huge part of daily life. it's just no longer an obligatory group ritual or central identifying trait, which can only be a good thing.
considering that asians from the educated classes of china, from hong kong, from japan and (especially) from south korea spend about 12–15 hours a day in education or revising/cramming for said education, i frankly don't blame them that spend their only spare time in noodle bars or getting bubble tea together. don't forget the extra-curricular grade 5 piano, english as a foreign language, and gym/dance that they are all forced to do in order to stand a chance of getting into a good university. i'm sure growing up in an england in the 1970s where everything was free, grant-paid-for, and higher ed was a more lax affair, de facto restricted to about 15–20% of the society, i'm sure you can really lecture these hyper-pressured kids on how they spend their time. you should team up with their suicide counsellors -- get them doing hopscotch or something!
live music venues are only shutting down in areas where yuppie apartments are forcing changes to licensing through noise/anti-social disorder laws. when was the last time you went to a live music venue that wasn't a giant out-of-town stadium to see some foreign import (or their hologram) prance about on stage and then leave? i'm sure you have a real concern for sustainable arts scenes, dilderp. one thing young people are still into is music, especially live music. pubs are dying out because, like the sports and social clubs named above, they are obsolete. gastropubs and craft beer bars are replacing them, or simply socialising at home; and, frankly, who can mind? most pubs in england sell the same 4 beers/lagers from the same 2 breweries, the smoke from the 1970s is still in the furniture, there's peanuts and sawdust on the floor, and the regulars are missing teeth (and out to claim some of their own in fisticuffs). no thanks. the public house had a specific social function in a specific historical circumstance. sorry, but none of us are gathering to gossip about the village bastard or stopping off on our day-long road trip through worcestershire to slake our thirsts anymore. besides, most publicans and landlords will tell you that it's the breweries, franchises and licensing laws that have the entire industry by the balls, squeezing their profit margins.
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