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That was half my point, poor people don't acquire capital and never see the benefit. Even the tiny amount the below average person could put away would beat pay-day loans and credit card interest, but they won't give up their vices.

IIRC the best predictor of being successful in business is whether your parents were successful in business, and the best predictor of being wealthy is whether your parents were wealthy.
How to improve on that cycle I don't know, there's the occasional rags to riches story people pull out to justify tax cuts and breaks for the already wealthy but trickle-down from the 1% doesn't seem to actually happen.

Jay wrote:

they've fallen for the allure of "living for the moment" and view goals and plans as boring.

This is why the media is a problem that needs to be fixed. We have young people who get bombarded by messages about partying like rockstars and taking part in risky behavior especially sexual. This doesn't work out for the vast majority of people who get into it.

Too many people party themselves into early graves or get stuck with children they can't take care of because some rich people have told them from a young age to live for the moment in order to make them and their wealthy investors money.

very odd that you think the huge segments of the nation's poor are that way because of hippies. yeah, the rustbelt communities encountering an opioid epidemic and the suburbs of chicago ablaze with gang violence are because of the bohemian liberal arts kids moving into loft spaces in brooklyn.

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SuperJail Warden wrote:

I am going to have to agree with Uzi here. I would put less blame on hippies and hipsters than I would the vast media complex coming out of NYC and LA.

I am not discounting the awful economic consequences of neoliberalism and the free market in spreading misery in the ghetto. For the wealthy media people it was "all about the benjamins baby" after all.

Except it was bohos preaching collectivism and identity politics and feminism and not neoliberals spreading the gospels of markets. They had become middle class by embracing the market and working hard. They became poor when they embraced collectivism (welfare) and rejected "white identity". White liberals spawned the black ghettos and put the behavior you have to put up with at work up on an altar to be celebrated. Why any of them vote Democrat is beyond me. The Democrats destroyed them.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I am going to have to agree with Uzi here. I would put less blame on hippies and hipsters than I would the vast media complex coming out of NYC and LA.

I am not discounting the awful economic consequences of neoliberalism and the free market in spreading misery in the ghetto. For the wealthy media people it was "all about the benjamins baby" after all.

Except it was bohos preaching collectivism and identity politics and feminism and not neoliberals spreading the gospels of markets. They had become middle class by embracing the market and working hard. They became poor when they embraced collectivism (welfare) and rejected "white identity". White liberals spawned the black ghettos and put the behavior you have to put up with at work up on an altar to be celebrated. Why any of them vote Democrat is beyond me. The Democrats destroyed them.

White liberals and feminist created the black ghetto. Interesting. And what about the white trash trailer parks and dilapidated suburbs? Did Trumpland also embrace checks notes feminism and collectivism?

Nope. That's a separate issue.

Shahter wrote:

hehe. why is it always that way with the likes of you, jay? "embracing market and working hard didn't work for some people? - they were doing it wrong then." why does it always happen then that it's a very small minority that's capable of "working hard" themselves to the top, while everyone else ends up poor and hopeless?

Because they had different journeys that don't overlap outside of modern welfare dependence.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

Shahter wrote:

hehe. why is it always that way with the likes of you, jay? "embracing market and working hard didn't work for some people? - they were doing it wrong then." why does it always happen then that it's a very small minority that's capable of "working hard" themselves to the top, while everyone else ends up poor and hopeless?

Because they had different journeys that don't overlap outside of modern welfare dependence.

They both have experience with the vast international media complex and it's banking financial support base based out of NYC.

Now you're firmly in tinfoil hat territory.

DesertFox- wrote:

Did Jay prove exactly the point of the what I quoted?

Because it's correct. People make decisions in a free society that have either positive or negative impacts on their lives and those around them. No one makes all the right choices, but some groups make more than others.

By emphasizing hard work and studying, Jews and Asians have gone from being seen as the excrement of society to a place where others are terrified of their supposed dominance. Some cultures just suck at succeeding at modern life. Some adapted very well.

A quote from a proto-fascist doesn't change reality. I've lived with and worked among the poorest and wealthiest and it's just a sad fact of life that most poor people really are where they are for a reason. Most of it has to do with losing the life lottery at birth and being born into shitty poverty culture. Nothing can change that though. Give white trash millions of dollars and they will still be white trash. They'll buy houses and cars and wardrobes and Louis Vuitton wallpaper and be back in poverty within their own lifetime. Give that money to someone not born in poverty and they will likely invest it and live off the interest.

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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I am going to have to agree with Uzi here. I would put less blame on hippies and hipsters than I would the vast media complex coming out of NYC and LA.

I am not discounting the awful economic consequences of neoliberalism and the free market in spreading misery in the ghetto. For the wealthy media people it was "all about the benjamins baby" after all.

Except it was bohos preaching collectivism and identity politics and feminism and not neoliberals spreading the gospels of markets. They had become middle class by embracing the market and working hard. They became poor when they embraced collectivism (welfare) and rejected "white identity". White liberals spawned the black ghettos and put the behavior you have to put up with at work up on an altar to be celebrated. Why any of them vote Democrat is beyond me. The Democrats destroyed them.

White liberals and feminist created the black ghetto. Interesting. And what about the white trash trailer parks and dilapidated suburbs? Did Trumpland also embrace checks notes feminism and collectivism?

I'll be radical and say there's a host of factors, but I don't think hippie culture is really one of them. Lefties in positions of responsibility supporting shitty countercultures for their own warped reasons maybe.

Its good for 'wall street' to keep a swathe of people poor and give them the idea they can improve their lives through briefly renting valueless crap on its journey from factory to landfill.

Rap culture is a blight, it should have stayed in the ghetto, but 'media companies' realised they could make money from it and had no shame in doing so, corporate social responsibility being a thing of the distant past. Now we have aboriginals in the back of the outback adopting 'rap culture'. Thanks Obama.

Black african culture has historically revolved around not working and achieving life goals through violence. They've been buying and selling and abusing each other for millenia, it really isn't white people's fault. If there were no white people to blame they'd be lucky to even be living in ghettos.

Of course there are other factors, telling people they don't need to learn or work and as long as they have enough attitude and personality they'll do OK dooms us all.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2019-03-07 01:48:38)

jay you have some very idiosyncratic ideas. you’re a very good example of why a little reading can be a dangerous thing. putting the blame for the  decimation of the black middle-class in america on a bunch of feminists and collectivists taking LSD and dropping out in the bay area is a pretty fucking hot take, my man.

The defining feature of fascism is an in group-out group dynamic. Communism is about equality both economic and social/political. The fact that they both believe in state planning of the economy doesn't mean they are ideological brothers. Their economic systems are secondary and in service to their political and social goals.

what's the engineers' take on the boeing PR disaster with their latest jet? donald trump thinks planes are 'too complicated to fly' now, lol.

Apparently the software that was designed to make the plane dive in response to a potential stall was having sensor issues and crashing the planes.

Planes crashing themselves. The 21st century is wild.