BF2S Forums DAST Chat

Cybargs wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_adoption_and_parenting_in_Australia

gay couples can't adopt kids in some state.

so much for marriage equality aye.

Why should adopting be limited to married couples?

I'm tired of your micro-aggressions - you should admit you're a single-hater and withdraw from the discussion.

So according to the guy's friends and family, he was a closet case. He also claimed to be a member of three different terrorist groups at war with each other. It is starting to look like less of a terrorist attack and more of a mentally ill person.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

So I ask again, how did you arrive at the assertion that I was saying human rights only apply to LGBT, because that is some macbethian troll if you're not actually serious.

How about here?

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Human rights are an actual issue.

Slippery slope fallacy. If I had a penny for the amount of times people have brought up polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality when attacking lgbtq rights …

So 'human rights' apply to LGBT but not other groups.

How do you even arrive at that assertion? No matter how much religious extremists and social doomsayers clamor for it, it's not (and shouldn't be) a majority group's right to deny [equal] rights to a minority group. Giving gays the same rights as everyone else is not going to cancel out existing human rights, like the right heterosexuals have to participate in and debase the institution of marriage as much as they please.

Your "we've gone too far" wall is set so arbitrarily in place it makes my head spin.

Giving gays their 'rights' is OK, but giving the same to polygamists, paedophiles, bestialists etc would be ridiculous.
Your "just far enough but not too far" wall is where my problem is. What right do you have to draw a line?

Picking the next sticking point - polygamy - its been around for millennia, if everyone involved consents willingly where is the issue?
And the sticking point after that - various gay groups want an age of consent of 14, 12 or no age at all. Where would you put the line?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2016-06-15 04:31:02)

Polygamy and paedophilia are allowed by various religions and ethnic groups in different parts of the world right now.
They're not in some other dimension.

Explain how allowing one fringe group a specific freedom to do something which has been forbidden by pretty well every religion and ethnic group for millennia is somehow a 'good thing' and is going to lead to peace and harmony.

i think what he's really missing in his old-man mithering is the bigger picture here, which he seems unable to analyse. the ideological shift (or, more properly, accommodation) that is taking place is not a 'widening' of morality or a 'loosening' of standards at all. this is why some gay rights advocates and LGBT groups have campaigned against the marriage and 'equal rights' thing – equal to them is merely the right to become normalised, defanged, robbed of their essential identity. the crucial thing that you are missing is that LGBT groups in the context of these campaigns are wanting to emulate normal citizens, not radically redefine what one is.

gay people campaigning for equal rights essentially want to be treated as equal bourgeois subjects in a western liberal democracy. that comes with the whole respectable middle-class package: that ideological constellation that involves the right to own property, form nuclear families, pass on property and assets, send your kids to good schools, have access to professional careers, be paid equally, granted the vote, etc. when you use examples of religious polygamy or pedophilia, you really are making a wayward – not to say biased and revealing – comparison. polygamy completely contravenes the family unit on which liberal democracies are based, the time-tested domestic unit that composes the property-owning base of society. pedophiles do not want to become normal subjects: they want a sexual fetish or proclivity to be given license and free reign. how is that similar to gay people? the LGBT equal rights argument essentially boils down to: 'yes, i love someone of my own gender rather than the opposite. how does that stop me from being a high-functioning and productive member of society?'

Last edited by uziq (2016-06-15 12:17:26)

We're not talking about robots or ants, we're talking about real people, and polygamy and paedophilia have much longer and wider histories than the two-partner based nuclear consumption/production unit which is more a product of for-profit religion than anything else.

This is apt.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36537305

Germany will not recognise polygamy or marriages involving minors, Justice Minister Heiko Maas has said

"No-one who comes here has the right to put his cultural values or religious beliefs above our law," he told Bild.

In some Islamic countries, men are allowed to take up to four wives, but in Germany polygamy is banned by law.

Concern about polygamy and underage marriage has risen recently, as Germany has been taking in record numbers of migrants, many from Muslim countries.

The law in Germany is clear: no-one is allowed to be married to more than one person at a time, and that includes recent arrivals in the country.

But in practice polygamous relationships are often quietly tolerated, the paper reports. For example, if a man dies, his inheritance may be distributed between his two wives.

There is no clear law in Germany regarding what to do with underage marriages conducted in Muslim countries, and courts make judgements on a
case-by-case basis.

A court in the city of Bamberg recently decided that the marriage of a 15-year-old girl to a 21-year-old man, conducted under Syrian jurisdiction, could be regarded as legal in Germany.

Whats the plan? Third world practices - polygamy and paedophilia - are being 'quietly tolerated', millions of people who won't quietly tolerate gay marriage, or gays being alive really, are being let in thanks to Liberal generosity.

Where is this experiment going to end?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2016-06-16 03:56:43)

MP shot (homemade gun) and stabbed to death. So much fucking crazy in this world.

pirana6 wrote:

if everyone in the world could stop killing everyone else in the world just cause theyre different, that would be fantastic.

pirana6 wrote:

pirana6 wrote:

if everyone in the world could stop killing everyone else in the world just cause theyre different, that would be fantastic.

Dream on, always going to be the case.

pirana6 wrote:

WHAT?!  Fuck you warman, I'll kill you!

Bring it

Cynical politicians are thoroughly out of touch, not as clever as they think they are, or decades of under-investment in education has produced a population too dumb to be trusted with democracy?

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

pedo appreciation day or something ridiculous like that

How is it ridiculous?
Its happening now.

We can have a liberal democracy. or we can have muslims.

Pick one.