Yeah, they are spending money on other things. But they are still blowing $60 million on a stadium. No amount of investment will make that reasonable.
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what if they can profit enough to get their money back in 5 years? that would be a pretty sweet investment.
We're talking about municipalities using public money (the local board taking out a loan is effectively the same thing) to fund pointless unproductive projects, not what I do with my money and spare time.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
yeah well life would suck a whole lot if the only things we spent money on were measured based on Dilbert's scale of "productivity". Amusement parks aren't "productive". Shooting a gun at little targets isn't "productive". Pounding away on the keyboard in your mom's basement isn't "productive".Dilbert_X wrote:
A field of corn is more productive than a stadium.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
but is it a waste? The first stadium seems to be doing well, and is on the way to turning a profit.
I'm not generally a fan of publicly financed stadiums, but the financing of PRIVATE stadiums should be far higher on your whine list. It's professional sports teams that should draw your ire, not public high school stadiums. Public financing of private stadiums has been studied extensively and the conclusion is almost always that it is a net negative for the public, but absolutely wonderful for the private beneficiaries.
A simple mown field and a whistle is all you need to learn to be a team player, not a $60m stadium.
Is it more than a little weird that Texas spends 10s of millions of dollars on high school football stadiums? Yeah, it's fucking mind boggling. Should it concern you? Not more than other egregious public spending inefficiencies.
That the local people apparently voted for it just shows they're malicious idiots who are happy to pass on their idiocy to the next generations through a mountain of debt.
But don't miss an opportunity to make a cheap and lame personal attack eh Ken?
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Not everything has to be productive to be worth a public investment, dilbs.
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It is a big amount of money. They could have spent 1/10 of that to build a really nice park that everyone can use instead of the football team.
That $40 mil for a fine arts extension could've gone towards repainting lines and filling cracks on a bunch of streets. Your point?
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I would be okay with that. Roads are important.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
That $40 mil for a fine arts extension could've gone towards repainting lines and filling cracks on a bunch of streets. Your point?
Yes, we should let the govt spend our money on whatever they feel like - and let them raise whatever taxes they want to do so.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Not everything has to be productive to be worth a public investment, dilbs.
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can't you guys stop queefing over your individual bugbears about spending on sports or the arts or the roads and just agree that none of these are exclusive matters? the government can spend on all of them. you live in an advanced and industrious first-world country. enjoy sports. contemplate arts. drive on licked pussy smooth roads.
the problem is you spend a vast amount of money on failed invasions and other such imperial excesses. transition. plant gardens. sponsor sculptors. pay linebackers a buncha money.
the problem is you spend a vast amount of money on failed invasions and other such imperial excesses. transition. plant gardens. sponsor sculptors. pay linebackers a buncha money.
Did you not read the article? The public voted on it. The people are telling the govt what to spend the money on, and are agreeing to a tax hike to support it.Dilbert_X wrote:
Yes, we should let the govt spend our money on whatever they feel like - and let them raise whatever taxes they want to do so.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Not everything has to be productive to be worth a public investment, dilbs.
You are dumb and from your posts here probably lead a really fucking boring life.
They're supporting it with taxes?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Did you not read the article? The public voted on it. The people are telling the govt what to spend the money on, and are agreeing to a tax hike to support it.Dilbert_X wrote:
Yes, we should let the govt spend our money on whatever they feel like - and let them raise whatever taxes they want to do so.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Not everything has to be productive to be worth a public investment, dilbs.
You are dumb and from your posts here probably lead a really fucking boring life.
THEY WANT FREE FOOTBALL STADIUMS!
Makes much more sense to target the anger at public financing of private stadiums. But hey, we are talking about football and texas. Easy target.
I don't have a problem with public money being used for school stadiums, expanding arts, repairing roads, etc. All too happy to vote my money into things like school levies. Not that happy about regional equality when it comes to district funding. Not at all happy about my money being used for extrajudicial drone strikes.uziq wrote:
can't you guys stop queefing over your individual bugbears about spending on sports or the arts or the roads and just agree that none of these are exclusive matters? the government can spend on all of them. you live in an advanced and industrious first-world country. enjoy sports. contemplate arts. drive on licked pussy smooth roads.
the problem is you spend a vast amount of money on failed invasions and other such imperial excesses. transition. plant gardens. sponsor sculptors. pay linebackers a buncha money.
Oh no guys, a stadium! We could've used that money to dump DU on a bunch of middle eastern babies.
Did you not read my post? DurKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Did you not read the article? The public voted on it. The people are telling the govt what to spend the money on, and are agreeing to a tax hike to support it.
'The People' would vote for bread and circuses and tax themselves, or more likely someone else - the next generation is an easy mark - to pay for it. The govt has a responsibility to stop this sort of retardation.Dilbert_X wrote:
That the local people apparently voted for it just shows they're malicious idiots who are happy to pass on their idiocy to the next generations through a mountain of debt.
But you're right, its Texas, no-one cares if they implode their economy.
Must be nice hiding behind your mod status sniping your little personal attacks at people, eh little man?You are dumb and from your posts here probably lead a really fucking boring life.
My life has been many things, boring is not one of them. I wish it had been.
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Ignoring the smugness of the title, this move rustles my jimmies something fierce. Because of decades of Congresses that would rather send billions to fight feckless wars, our National Park Service is forced to resort to prostituting itself to corporations for donations instead of being properly funded. One of the few good things that was actually done as America expanded westward is slowly being undermined as corporate interests begin to work themselves into the fabric by the funding needs manufactured by Congress' failures. It was private enterprise interests that were attempting to exploit Yellowstone for logging, mining, and grazing even as it became protected.
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If all we have to do is ignore a brand at the front of the name for them to get better funding, I'll accept it. It's not a perfect situation, but maybe they'll get the money they need.
Nobody is gonna call it 'Starbucks' Yosemite' or anything like that, they're just going to call it Yosemite like we always have.
Nobody is gonna call it 'Starbucks' Yosemite' or anything like that, they're just going to call it Yosemite like we always have.
The ratio of paying tourist to park ranger always seemed astronomical to me. Maybe they need to not waste all their money on dumb shit. http://www.outsideonline.com/1929936/do … -equipmentDesertFox- wrote:
Ignoring the smugness of the title, this move rustles my jimmies something fierce. Because of decades of Congresses that would rather send billions to fight feckless wars, our National Park Service is forced to resort to prostituting itself to corporations for donations instead of being properly funded. One of the few good things that was actually done as America expanded westward is slowly being undermined as corporate interests begin to work themselves into the fabric by the funding needs manufactured by Congress' failures. It was private enterprise interests that were attempting to exploit Yellowstone for logging, mining, and grazing even as it became protected.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
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The ratio of paying tourist to park ranger always seemed astronomical to me. Maybe they need to not waste all their money on dumb shit. http://www.outsideonline.com/1929936/do … -equipmentDesertFox- wrote:
Ignoring the smugness of the title, this move rustles my jimmies something fierce. Because of decades of Congresses that would rather send billions to fight feckless wars, our National Park Service is forced to resort to prostituting itself to corporations for donations instead of being properly funded. One of the few good things that was actually done as America expanded westward is slowly being undermined as corporate interests begin to work themselves into the fabric by the funding needs manufactured by Congress' failures. It was private enterprise interests that were attempting to exploit Yellowstone for logging, mining, and grazing even as it became protected.
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Weapon parts to patrol an area 3 times the size of NYC. Utterly scandalous.Then there's Yosemite. The park procured nearly $435,000 worth of military equipment, most of which is related to assembly parts for standard-issue rifles, including 103 gun barrels, 163 breech bolts, and 500 magazines. It also received 50 handguns and eight laser-infrared observation sets worth a total of $176,000. The net worth of the park's acquisitions exceeded that of nearby city departments such as Merced, Modesto, Riverside, and Stockton
Why are park rangers 'on patrol'? Is there a war going on inside the parks?SuperJail Warden wrote:
Jay wrote:
The ratio of paying tourist to park ranger always seemed astronomical to me. Maybe they need to not waste all their money on dumb shit. http://www.outsideonline.com/1929936/do … -equipmentDesertFox- wrote:
Ignoring the smugness of the title, this move rustles my jimmies something fierce. Because of decades of Congresses that would rather send billions to fight feckless wars, our National Park Service is forced to resort to prostituting itself to corporations for donations instead of being properly funded. One of the few good things that was actually done as America expanded westward is slowly being undermined as corporate interests begin to work themselves into the fabric by the funding needs manufactured by Congress' failures. It was private enterprise interests that were attempting to exploit Yellowstone for logging, mining, and grazing even as it became protected.
tl;drWeapon parts to patrol an area 3 times the size of NYC. Utterly scandalous.Then there's Yosemite. The park procured nearly $435,000 worth of military equipment, most of which is related to assembly parts for standard-issue rifles, including 103 gun barrels, 163 breech bolts, and 500 magazines. It also received 50 handguns and eight laser-infrared observation sets worth a total of $176,000. The net worth of the park's acquisitions exceeded that of nearby city departments such as Merced, Modesto, Riverside, and Stockton
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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Escaped convicts, poachers, fugitives, militias. That is not even a lot equipment for that task.
I'm curious about the figures in that article, if those numbers are what NPS paid for them or what the author has calculated them to be worth. Like with your local police department getting military surplus vehicles, I don't think they're paying full price in that case.
Assuming those costs are entirely their fault, the Parks didn't create a $11.9 billion maintenance backlog on their own.
Assuming those costs are entirely their fault, the Parks didn't create a $11.9 billion maintenance backlog on their own.
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libertarian delegate strips at national convention because he didn't get his way.
libertarian party: serious people with serious ideas.
libertarian party: serious people with serious ideas.
looks like the libertarian party need to do something about all that state subsidisation of corn because that guy is looking like a fucking heifer
This is what happens if you let the free market make your diet choices for you.
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The US doesn't have an agricultural 'free market'. In fact pretty much all developed nations (except Aus and NZ) have massive subsidies on their agriculture then pressure developing markets into 'free trade' deals for everything else so they can't compete.