Can I come to Australia Dil to share my knowledge and partake in your Asians?
You can help yourself to the asians, there are bloody thousands of them.
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What a beautiful nation. It is truly a land of milk and honey.
Not like America, Land of Free Enterprise and Self Reliance, where fat people get paid to sleep.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/ … 6652811077Mr Rosenthal sidles into the office at 2pm every day, eats lunch and then goes to sleep at his desk.
"Then he wakes up, looks at his watch and says, 'I have to get out before the traffic gets bad.' He's usually out by 4pm after being at the office two hours," union vice president Marvin Robbins told The New York Post.
Mr Rosenthal earns $156,000 a year as president of a local municipal workers union in New York - a job he has held since 1998.
He says it's normal for executives to take "power naps", and his meetings with the sandman can also be notched up to the effects of pain medication he takes for backaches, which he has suffered since falling through a chair at McDonald's last year.
The union represents 3000 workers, many of whom are among the city's lowest-paid employees.
Those workers fork out more than $1080 in annual union dues, which help fund Mr Rosenthal's salary and perks.
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i never said australia was an unhappy place. i said it was stupid for small-minded white europeans to get in a fuss over asians coming to australia to work, considering australia is basically a part of asia. how long can you white nationalists hold out against the fact that your north shore is a short stop to asia? against the fact asia are going to become the predominant economic force in the 21st century? it seems like a stupid argument to me. i never mentioned 'national happiness'. what an odd thing to link.Dilbert_X wrote:
Yeah, awful place.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i guess that's what happens when a bunch of european convicts and undesirables set up shop on the doorstep of asia.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/05/28/aus … try-again/
Still, it makes sense to let in the smarter asians.On drugs again eh? I've said on the average they're smarter than whites.he acts like asian immigrants and people of other races are inferior/'sinks'
and yes, it must be me on drugs again... as you start spouting off your bizarre theories of innate racial intelligence
Why is it small-minded? Most nations are happy to do businees with foreigners but won't let them in - try migrating to China or Singapore.
Asia is big enough isn't it?
How is it our fault they've planned poorly and wound up overpopulated and poor?
Its like saying a sensible investor should help out a reckless gambler - 'because its fair'.
Asia is big enough isn't it?
How is it our fault they've planned poorly and wound up overpopulated and poor?
Its like saying a sensible investor should help out a reckless gambler - 'because its fair'.
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i find it strange you had no problem leaving the UK with your complaints about "multiculturalism" and "property prices", expecting to be taken on in australia - a foreign country with its own people and their own economy - but then if an asian wants to leave their homeland because of some personal disagreement with their home state (for something not their fault, and out of their control), well then you'll start crowing about "why should we let them in m8 just because it's fair cunt?" how utterly bizarre. only the white man has the right to swan around the globe to make his life as comfortable as he wishes, i guess.
and why would anyone look to china or singapore for a 'good' example on social/civil issues? that sort of reasoning is stupid. we're supposed to be 'liberal democracies', so we should practice what we preach (or rather what we often force upon others and tut-tut about). holding ourselves to china's social policies and standards would be gravely stupid. just because they are worse than us on that matter, doesn't give us an excuse to be brutes.
and why would anyone look to china or singapore for a 'good' example on social/civil issues? that sort of reasoning is stupid. we're supposed to be 'liberal democracies', so we should practice what we preach (or rather what we often force upon others and tut-tut about). holding ourselves to china's social policies and standards would be gravely stupid. just because they are worse than us on that matter, doesn't give us an excuse to be brutes.
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Look, I like asian food (not chinese), I really do.
But historically countries have not allowed free immigration to just anyone, why should any country volunteer to share its wealth when others don't? Its economic and social suicide.
The European experiment is an aberration, the Labour multicultural plan to cement Britain as a failed nation which would never vote Tory again has both backfired and been a disaster for the country.
But historically countries have not allowed free immigration to just anyone, why should any country volunteer to share its wealth when others don't? Its economic and social suicide.
The European experiment is an aberration, the Labour multicultural plan to cement Britain as a failed nation which would never vote Tory again has both backfired and been a disaster for the country.
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australia has some of the meanest immigration laws in the world. you treat illegal immigrants in detention/deportation pretty much more strictly than any other 'western democracy' in the world. it's a human rights issue, in fact, for many aussie lawyers - big business. i don't know why you're crying about "letting anyone in". australia is doing far from letting anyone in. but to try and be isolationist when you are literally on the doorstep of the world's new ascendant power seems rather stupid. especially when the australian is so happy otherwise to let their economy benefit from 'good relations' with china & co. seems a little bit hypocritical. "float our little white european bubble! buy our minerals and ore! but don't come here ya slope!"
and "europe is an aberration" / "multiculturalism has failed" is entirely your opinion. i would not say that. then again i went to university and actually made friends with people of other races/cultures. i immersed myself in that aspect of our urban culture and really enjoyed/profited from the experience. it has opened up my eyes beyond the posho-provincial 'shires mentality i had before. and i would not say it is a bad thing, in the slightest. the only people you see snorting about "multiculturalism failing" are extreme right-wingers and working-class tabloids, who need a bogeyman to let out their frustrations upon.
and "europe is an aberration" / "multiculturalism has failed" is entirely your opinion. i would not say that. then again i went to university and actually made friends with people of other races/cultures. i immersed myself in that aspect of our urban culture and really enjoyed/profited from the experience. it has opened up my eyes beyond the posho-provincial 'shires mentality i had before. and i would not say it is a bad thing, in the slightest. the only people you see snorting about "multiculturalism failing" are extreme right-wingers and working-class tabloids, who need a bogeyman to let out their frustrations upon.
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Yup, its just me saying it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oc … ism-failed
Australian laws aren't any different, its just other countries are dumb enough to let people in while they're deciding whether to let them in or not
If you're skilled and have a good work history Australia is straightforward to get into.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oc … ism-failed
Australian laws aren't any different, its just other countries are dumb enough to let people in while they're deciding whether to let them in or not
If you're skilled and have a good work history Australia is straightforward to get into.
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oh yeah, merkel saying it so it must be so. the germans decrying multiculturalism has failed! that's rich.
the simple fact of the matter is that the dominant hegemony in this world-order is that of capital. the global market. the global market doesn't really care much for national borders, or specific people's, or individual and distinct cultures. to try and resist or stem the flow of international trade/labour would be to retard the current world system. it is literally inimical to global capitalism to have a series of small, isolated, hermetic nation-states with their 'individual peoples'. it doesn't make any sense. so either you're 'for' global capital and the benefits/cheap labour it brings, or you're against it. you can't take out your frustration on the foreigners for wanting to move where the market has created opportunity. you did just the same. and it is hypocritical of you to want to sit in a country that benefits from a world-market, i.e. cheap labour and goods, whilst demanding that the 'second-rate' global citizens remain in their low-income home economies. completely hypocritical.
the simple fact of the matter is that the dominant hegemony in this world-order is that of capital. the global market. the global market doesn't really care much for national borders, or specific people's, or individual and distinct cultures. to try and resist or stem the flow of international trade/labour would be to retard the current world system. it is literally inimical to global capitalism to have a series of small, isolated, hermetic nation-states with their 'individual peoples'. it doesn't make any sense. so either you're 'for' global capital and the benefits/cheap labour it brings, or you're against it. you can't take out your frustration on the foreigners for wanting to move where the market has created opportunity. you did just the same. and it is hypocritical of you to want to sit in a country that benefits from a world-market, i.e. cheap labour and goods, whilst demanding that the 'second-rate' global citizens remain in their low-income home economies. completely hypocritical.
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http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected] … rch%202009
Look, demographics isn't really that hard.Keeping the fertility and life expectancy at the Series B level, big increases in migration can dilute the ageing effect in the population structure by adding large numbers of people who have a younger age profile than the population which they are joining. However, to be effective, the level of migration would produce an inordinately large population. For example, with a net addition of 400,000 migrants per year (almost twice the 2007-08 record level), the old age dependency ratio would be 31%, compared with 38% in Series B and 20% in 2007. The population would grow to 51 million in 2056, an extra 15 million on the Series B projection.
If annual net overseas migration increased to 1 million migrants (almost five times the 2007-08 level), the old age dependency ratio in 2056 would be 24% - closer to the 2007 level of 20%. The result of this would be a population of 91 million people in 2056.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Uh huh, and when those migrants age?
Increase migration to 5 million a year? A population of 400 million by 2100?
Indonesia would look like a decadent first-world paradise by comparison.
Increase migration to 5 million a year? A population of 400 million by 2100?
Indonesia would look like a decadent first-world paradise by comparison.
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oh wow.
i'm going to let you think through that one before i respond.
i'm going to let you think through that one before i respond.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Whats complex?
If you want to keep the aged to productive ratio at, say 25%, and bearing in mind people these days are only productive for 50% of their lives then inevitably you need exponential population growth.
Of course opening the door to 1 million people a year is easier for a politician to do than figure out how to run an economy with half the population idle and drawing benefits, healthcare etc, but in the long run its not in the interests of the country - especially a resource constrained country like Australia.
If you want to keep the aged to productive ratio at, say 25%, and bearing in mind people these days are only productive for 50% of their lives then inevitably you need exponential population growth.
Of course opening the door to 1 million people a year is easier for a politician to do than figure out how to run an economy with half the population idle and drawing benefits, healthcare etc, but in the long run its not in the interests of the country - especially a resource constrained country like Australia.
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who is worth more to the australian society/economy: your retired parents, or a 20 year old asian worker?
i propose a cull of the elderly.
i propose a cull of the elderly.
Since they don't cost the economy a cent, pay a ton of tax, and spend a good deal of dough, I dunno lol..
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but what do they produce? and who makes what they consume?
I'm not making the argument that unproductive members of the economy need to be culled, I'm saying we need to figure out how to run economies when a large proportion of people are unproductive. not go into a Malthusian death-spiral of overpopulation simply because we can't face facts.
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well in advanced western countries the burden on the economy from 'the unproductive' tends to come from an ageing and wrongly-inverted population pyramid. so i don't know why you are blaming the earnest asian immigrant, who just wants to make a better life for him/his family, whilst giving a blind-eye to all those geriatric leeches who are consuming resources like so much bovine inert cattle. it's only fair to let the asian at the start of his life provide for his family adequately, isn't it? he will have children and introduce new youth and labour to the market, also. so why should we make recourse to ugly racism, just because our economies are burdened with a load of useless fogies?
seeing as the 'useless' thing is your main critique, and all... this is your argument, not mine.
seeing as the 'useless' thing is your main critique, and all... this is your argument, not mine.
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There is no simple answer, exponential population growth isn't it either.
People are going to have to accept much lower benefits in old age, or retire later, or burn up their own cash in retirement.
No-one is going to like it having seen the typical baby-boomer take early retirement and enjoy a luxurious lifestyle up to death.
People are going to have to accept much lower benefits in old age, or retire later, or burn up their own cash in retirement.
No-one is going to like it having seen the typical baby-boomer take early retirement and enjoy a luxurious lifestyle up to death.
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the problem is that local/national attempts to control population run contrary to the global marketplace and movement of labour that the nation-state is inextricably involved in. you can't really trade and benefit from the global market and then tightly shut your doors to all foreign migrants or workers. you cannot cite 'population concerns' as reasons for barring most immigration from, say, third-world countries, when your countries' economy and marketplace is in other senses dependent on those third-world countries and their low-wage labourers. all that leads to essentially is a geopolitical situation in which all the rich, having-benefited nations shut their doors and enjoy a life of luxury, whilst the rest of the globe are expected to sit as second-rate citizens, stitching clothes and growing food. that is not an arrangement or power-balance that will last long, without major upheaval.
not to mention the fact that all of the 'advanced' prosperous states in the west fly under the banner of liberal democracies, wherein their very founding principles are antithetical to the idea of barring people from participation or equal rights. although i admit the ideological stuff is fairly lightweight in light of basic economic/demographic problems. in this sense, the nation-state and individual democracy has already been basically redundant since almost even before the two world wars that inflamed so much mass-movement in the name of flags and border-lines.
so basically the only real solution to localized immigration issues is to change global capitalism, or arrange trade blocs. there is nothing an individual nation can do that will amount to anything more than sticking its head in the sand - with long-term consequences.
not to mention the fact that all of the 'advanced' prosperous states in the west fly under the banner of liberal democracies, wherein their very founding principles are antithetical to the idea of barring people from participation or equal rights. although i admit the ideological stuff is fairly lightweight in light of basic economic/demographic problems. in this sense, the nation-state and individual democracy has already been basically redundant since almost even before the two world wars that inflamed so much mass-movement in the name of flags and border-lines.
so basically the only real solution to localized immigration issues is to change global capitalism, or arrange trade blocs. there is nothing an individual nation can do that will amount to anything more than sticking its head in the sand - with long-term consequences.
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Of course you can, trade and movement of people are entirely separate.you can't really trade and benefit from the global market and then tightly shut your doors to all foreign migrants or workers.
Why bother even to trade with a more prosperous nation? Just sit back and your population will go there to enjoy the prosperity. Free movement makes trade redundant.
The current high mobility of people is a historical aberration, apart from a few blips its not normal, borders have normally been tightly closed and labour movement very restricted.
Look at the experience of the jews in WW2, or try getting a green card for the US.
European, and especially UK, open borders will be closing very soon.
And all that liberal guff about helping the less fortunate, it was never intended to apply to non-citizens AFAIK.
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All it takes is 2 or 3 generations for those who are immigrants and completely foreign to become adapted to whatever country they move to. The nation state as a whole benefits. Even if those people do not reach oligarch status the cultural value they create is enormous. I think the anti-immigrant people deeply underestimate the benefits of having them. For one thing, diplomatic status. And that comes with the perks of being able to spy on whoever you want. Thousands of people with families in two different countries... assuming they are well adjusted and are patriotic, goes a long way in terms ofbilateral influence.
get the fuck out dilbert you refo. fuck off where you came from.
