Jay
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You're not wrong, but that sort of manipulation is illegal. I have no idea what caused the flash crash of Symantec stock today, but if someone had taken a large short position right before a news article came out that caused the algos to go haywire, you can bet your ass the SEC would be all over them (unless they're Goldman Sachs of course )
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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Macbeth wrote:

The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance — a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.

“The breadth of the benefits the family was receiving was stunning,” said a person with knowledge of documents handed over to a legislative committee today.

The state has handed over more than 500 documents to the 11-member House Post Audit and Oversight Committee, which today met for the first time and plans to call in officials from the Department of Transitional Assistance to testify.

“I can assure members of the public that this committee will actively review every single piece of information we can find because clearly the public has a substantial right to know what benefits, if any, this family or individuals accused of some horrific crimes were receiving,” said state Rep. David Linsky (D-Natick), the committee’s chairman.

Linsky’s committee has requested documents from the DTA, the state’s Medicaid director and Health and Human Services Secretary John Polanowicz. But so far the committee has not released the records publicly, citing a privilege the DTA is asserting under state law.

Transitional assistance officials also told the Herald tonight that the agency was conducting its own investigation into whether Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s family ever notified the DTA about his extended trip to Russia, and has since expanded its probe to include a full history of the benefits received by the entire Tsarnaev family.
oh boy better cut benefits for Muslims and legal immigrants. They might build bombs /s
I'd just like to point out that $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance from 2002 to 2012, between a family isn't much. That's $10,000 a year

"The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents", so between say 5 people. $2k a year in "benefits" each. Sound like a big deal here?

If giving Muslims foodstamps and access to income assistance is a bad thing cause of 2 terrorists now, that's an over reaction. And an over reaction is exactly what terrorists want to provoke.
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I always am skeptical when they say these numbers since they don't explain what qualifies as financial assistance. Both brothers were college students. Technically student loans and grants count as financial assistance.
Macbeth
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The average cost for a day in a U.S. hospital is $4,287, and those with severe injuries often encounter even higher bills, according to a 2012 survey by the International Federation of Health Plans. Patients with traumatic brain injuries face average per-day costs of $8,034 for acute care and $2,227 for inpatient rehab, according to the National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research.
I wonder how much a hospital stay cost the government in the U.K. I know you guys have medical price controls we don't. It is why a American primary Cate doctor makes on average $180,000 while a British makes $80,000.
Uzique The Lesser
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UK medical care is very expensive, too. we don't have like soviet facilities. we have top medical professionals and a (mostly) well-stocked system - although several specific hospitals have fallen below public standards (though it's not as if this doesn't happen in the states, either). the difference is that in the UK the cost of your medical care doesn't really matter - not for most procedures, anyway. someone can have £100k of brain surgeon time/work and will not have to pay anything extra for it. that's how socialized medicine works. and lo, the lord said it was Good.

oh and most british doctors (not counting specialists) will make more than $80,000 a year. they are paid well. as well as a doctor needs to be paid. about equal with a senior university professor and an average lawyers salary. it is 'competitive'. it's not like our state doctors are going into a life of 'public service', with woeful pay (doctors and lawyers in cuba get paid less than tattoo artists, i read somewhere recently...)

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Jay
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Macbeth wrote:

The average cost for a day in a U.S. hospital is $4,287, and those with severe injuries often encounter even higher bills, according to a 2012 survey by the International Federation of Health Plans. Patients with traumatic brain injuries face average per-day costs of $8,034 for acute care and $2,227 for inpatient rehab, according to the National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research.
I wonder how much a hospital stay cost the government in the U.K. I know you guys have medical price controls we don't. It is why a American primary Cate doctor makes on average $180,000 while a British makes $80,000.
$180k isn't a lot of money considering the amount of skill they need and the schooling they have to go through to become doctors. Add to that the ridiculous cost of malpractice insurance, and yeah...

Doctor salaries aren't what make American health care expensive, it's the coding system that was implemented by the government to pay for Medicare and Medicaid. Insurance companies copied the codes and it's now big business among health care providers to game the system as much as possible in order to maximize payments. Health care costs have skyrocketed in recent years because the people who are hired to manipulate the codes have gotten better at it, and there are a lot more of them. We do have medical price controls in place, they are just exploited relentlessly because the people responsible for guarding against fraud are completely overwhelmed and don't have any skin in the game.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique The Lesser
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also, yeah, our medical school is 'more expensive' than university, but that's generally because it has slightly higher fees (but not much) and on average 3-4 more years of schooling than a standard 'degree' path. going to medical school here - some of the top in the world, even with their relatively low tuition fees - costs only a little more than the 'complete' path to do 6-7 years as a doctoral student in a normal university subject. no ridiculously high medical/law school fees, here (although i will admit our law schools, as private enterprises, are more expensive than our medical schools).
Jay
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New York Malpractice Insurance Rates - Top 15 Specialties
Undiscounted State Filed Rate Data averages across all territories for $1m/ $3m limits
Specialty                                Average Rate    Min Rate    Max Rate    Count
Internal Medicine No Surgery    $21,859    $6,928    $49,570    13694
Occupational Medicine                    $28,368    $2,471    $126,688    6822
Pediatrics No Surgery                    $17,416    $5,549    $44,537    6672
Psychiatry                                    $11,438    $2,039    $32,428    5512
Family Practice No Surgery            $27,098    $6,483    $74,931    5347
Obstetrics and Gynecology Major Surgery    $152,568    $29,895    $547,644    3762
Anesthesiology                            $37,729    $7,093    $179,610    3707
Emergency Medicine                    $35,308    $7,675    $114,055    3276
Radiology No Surgery                    $50,316    $9,230    $170,723    2777
General Surgery                        $97,936    $22,916    $339,950    2366
Cardiovascular Disease Minor Surgery    $28,411    $7,878    $59,547    1997
Orthopedic Surgery No Spine    $105,060    $17,678    $408,180    1896
Ophthalmology No Surgery            $10,323    $2,039    $32,428    1782
Neurology No Surgery                    $25,229    $7,675    $70,057    1711
Gastroenterology No Surgery    $23,205    $7,878    $61,640    1333
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique The Lesser
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Jay
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What recourse do UK citizens have for suing doctors for damages if they botch a surgery or diagnosis?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique The Lesser
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you can take them to court for forms of medical negligence just like you could a private doctor. probably less chances of doing so for botching a diagnosis, but in an extreme case, sure. medical negligence is a pretty knotty area of law anyway, regardless of whether you're dealing with a state-apparatus or a private practice.
Jay
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Are awards capped? Our malpractice insurance is so high because they are uncapped here (which is not a bad thing, I would rather people receive what they think the injury done to them is worth rather than whatever cap the government has set arbitrarily).
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique The Lesser
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is there a limit on damages, you mean? no, of course not. the law normally sets out civil damages according to the case and the principle of reasonability/proportionality. normally it is all calculated, in the case of negligence, for calculations to do with the 'loss of a chance' incurred. for example, if the NHS fucked up an operation on an injured leg muscle of an up-and-coming promising footballer, they could be expected to deal with a pretty whopping civil payout. you generally get tariffs and 'caps' for punishments in the criminal side of things. in civil, it's normally worked out on a per-case basis. it would be pretty arbitrary, otherwise.
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Jay wrote:

Are awards capped? Our malpractice insurance is so high because they are uncapped here
I think a huge part of it is because they can. They know doctors have money and would pay it so they charge as much as they can. The same way if their insurance fell doctors won't drop prices because people are already trained to expect expensive care and it would mean the doctors making more profit. I think much of this "if you take away XYZ regulation prices will fall on ABC thing" doesn't take into account people being trained and expecting to be hosed for things.
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Injured horse treated; Farmington owner cited for pain and suffering

FARMINGTON — The public responded passionately to the case of a horse with a halter embedded in its face. Almost 150 comments were left on ksl.com the day the story broke, and Davis County animal control was flooded with calls, some offering to buy the horse.

Fortunately, the animal has finally received the veterinary care it so badly needs. As of about 3 p.m. Tuesday, the horse was getting treatment. The owner has been cited for failure to give adequate care and causing pain and suffering.

[...]

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I had something I was going to say in regards to animal owners like this, but it got lost in the miasma of WTF.
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Jaekus wrote:

Here's our feel good story for the evening.

Photo of Officer Giving Boots to Barefoot Man Warms Hearts Online

On a cold November night in Times Square, Officer Lawrence Deprimo was working a counterterrorism post when he encountered an older, barefooted homeless man. The officer disappeared for a moment, then returned with a new pair of boots, and knelt to help the man put them on.

The act of kindness would have gone unnoticed and mostly forgotten, had it not been for a tourist from Arizona.


Officer Lawrence Deprimo bought new boots for a homeless man he encountered in Times Square.
It turns out he is NOT homeless....

The barefoot homeless man who received new shoes from a kindhearted NYPD cop isn’t actually homeless — and has a sad history of refusing help from loved ones and the government.
For the past year, Jeffrey Hillman has had an apartment in the Bronx paid for through a combination of federal Section 8 rent vouchers and Social Security disability and veterans benefits, officials said Monday.

But nevertheless, the now-famous nomad has continued to panhandle and cling to the cold streets of Gotham.
It was a moment of sidewalk squalor — the 54-year-old veteran squatting barefoot in Times Square on a frigid night — and Officer Lawrence DePrimo’s singular expression of compassion — buying him expensive winter boots — that inspired a tourist’s cell phone picture and mesmerized the nation. Yet before DePrimo, an assortment of city agencies extended the troubled man a helping hand.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/hom … z2S11zQbjP


And he is a veteran living off of benefits. Macbeth will love this.
globefish23
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But did he say that he was homeless to the benevolent donor?
Or did everyone just assume that he was, because he was sitting in Time Square?
M.O.A.B
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Christ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj2GS26Imdo

Be warned, this shows a fully laden 747 coming down and exploding on impact.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22347199

BBC wrote:

A US civilian cargo plane has crashed at Bagram airbase in Afghanistan, killing its seven crew, officials say.

The plane came down shortly after take-off and crashed within the boundaries of the huge US-run airbase, said a Nato spokesperson at the base.

The Taliban claimed responsibility for the crash, but their involvement was denied by Nato.

Bagram, near the Afghan capital Kabul, is the largest military base for US troops in Afghanistan.

Witnesses said the plane reached an altitude of some 400m (1,300ft) before suddenly "falling out of the sky", Bagram's district governor, Abdul Shukor, told Reuters news agency.

The crash was confirmed by the plane's owners, National Air Cargo.

"We did lose all seven crew members," said a spokeswoman for the Florida-based firm.

The Taliban were quick to claim responsibility, telling the Pakistan-based Afghan Islam Press they shot down the plane.

But Nato's International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said there were no reports of militant activity in or around the base at the time of the crash.

No cause for the crash has been given - Nato said it is being investigated.

The crash comes two days after four military personnel were killed in a crash in the southern Afghan province of Zabul, which officials said was also not due to military activity.
Uzique The Lesser
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already been posted like twice.
globefish23
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Taliban have claimed responsibility.
Reportedly, they've started a spring offensive.
Macbeth
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lol the military said cargo got loose and shifted to the back of the plane forcing the nose to tip up and the plane to stall. I believe the military on this one.
Uzique The Lesser
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globefish23 wrote:

Taliban have claimed responsibility.
Reportedly, they've started a spring offensive.
you've gotta be stupid to see that video and think 'taliban!'. they claimed it immediately afterwards and nato (afaik) or someone like that said "no, it's our error". the transport-loading wasn't done properly and 3/4 of the huge bomb-proof trucks that were being transported onboard all slid to the back. according to all the real world facts neckbeards on the internet, anyway.

it was carrying 4 of these

https://defense-update.com/images_new/MRAP_Cat_1_navistar.jpg

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And seven people.

RIP
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Macbeth
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Agents of imperialism. No better than Nazis in Poland.
Macbeth
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Agents of imperialism. No better than Nazis in Poland.

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