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2013-03-18 03:30:13

#9726

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5808

[YouTube] http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PGfCX9sJqqc[/youtube]
Slavery apologism and segregation justification at a CPAC meeting about minority outreach.

I think someone said that the discussion groups and panels were more important than the speeches. That is interesting.

panel at the Conservative Political Action Committee on Republican minority outreach exploded into controversy on Friday afternoon, after an audience member defended slavery as good for African-Americans.

The exchange occurred after an audience member from North Carolina, 30-year-old Scott Terry, asked whether Republicans could endorse races remaining separate but equal. After the presenter, K. Carl Smith of Frederick Douglass Republicans, answered by referencing a letter by Frederick Douglass forgiving his former master, the audience member said “For what? For feeding him and housing him?” Several people in the audience cheered and applauded Terry’s outburst.

After the exchange, Terry muttered under his breath, “why can’t we just have segregation?” noting the Constitution’s protections for freedom of association.

ThinkProgress spoke with Terry, who sported a Rick Santorum sticker and attended CPAC with a friend who wore a Confederate Flag-emblazoned t-shirt, about his views after the panel. Terry maintained that white people have been “systematically disenfranchised” by federal legislation.

When asked by ThinkProgress if he’d accept a society where African-Americans were permanently subservient to whites, he said “I’d be fine with that.” He also claimed that African-Americans “should be allowed to vote in Africa,” and that “all the Tea Parties” were concerned with the same racial problems that he was.

At one point, a woman challenged him on the Republican Party’s roots, to which Terry responded, “I didn’t know the legacy of the Republican Party included women correcting men in public.”

He claimed to be a direct descendent of Confederate President Jefferson Davis.

The panel continued to be racked in controversy, as an African-American audience member repeatedly challenged the racism on display at this event. CPAC is the marquee conservative conference of the year, with speakers ranging from former Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney to Senator Marco Rubio.

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2013-03-18 03:35:21

#9727

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|6912|Tampa Bay Florida

I asked a black cab driver in Atlanta once if he's worried about ever getting lynched. Then I got shot.

2013-03-18 05:26:56

#9728

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4477

lol at removing the european politics thread. you fucking ingrates. so jay comes in with his "i know best - here's the libertarian textbook!" unwieldy opinions, proffers them garbed in his hypocrite robes, and then reports and lets the entire thread vanish? you guys are fucking weak. i wrote extensive replies explaining why jay was being a dumbass about 'austerity not affecting workers and peasants in europe'. the guy gets all his information from terrible sources, and clearly has only a textbook understanding of the macroeconomic theories being bandied about (a discipline he will say in other threads is as "pretense of science" and a "guessing game" divining the future, but when it comes to europe: has all the answers!). we are perfectly valid in rebutting jay's dumb and simplistic answers, and in highlighting his own cognitive dissonance (i.e. his personal incongruity with the dogma he shills) in exposing why it is weak and retarded thought.

you mods are fucking retards. kill yourselves.

2013-03-18 05:29:53

#9729

Mutantbear: Semi Constructive Criticism; +1,431|6187|London, England

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
lol at removing the european politics thread. you fucking ingrates. so jay comes in with his "i know best - here's the libertarian textbook!" unwieldy opinions, proffers them garbed in his hypocrite robes, and then reports and lets the entire thread vanish? you guys are fucking weak. i wrote extensive replies explaining why jay was being a dumbass about 'austerity not affecting workers and peasants in europe'. the guy gets all his information from terrible sources, and clearly has only a textbook understanding of the macroeconomic theories being bandied about (a discipline he will say in other threads is as "pretense of science" and a "guessing game" divining the future, but when it comes to europe: has all the answers!). we are perfectly valid in rebutting jay's dumb and simplistic answers, and in highlighting his own cognitive dissonance (i.e. his personal incongruity with the dogma he shills) in exposing why it is weak and retarded thought.

you mods are fucking retards. kill yourselves.

do you think the mods would delete a thread they dont like? They would probably just close it

Maybe it was the OP of that thread Spoiler (highlight to read):
hes been pretty mad lately

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2013-03-18 05:31:39

#9730

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4477

who was the OP? burnz? lol. now it all makes sense.

still. jay comes in and calls me a "socialist" for explaining patiently why austerity cuts affect ordinary people. flag-waving commie i am! what a fucking intellectual gnat, swarming around the cornhole of a bison.

2013-03-18 06:02:20

#9731

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6328|eXtreme to the maX

Its nice to see the cherry-picking of the Iraq intel is steadily being exposed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ma … wmd-claims

MI6 and CIA were told before invasion that Iraq had no active WMD

Fresh evidence is revealed today about how MI6 and the CIA were told through secret channels by Saddam Hussein's foreign minister and his head of intelligence that Iraq had no active weapons of mass destruction.

Tony Blair told parliament before the war that intelligence showed Iraq's nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programme was "active", "growing" and "up and running".

A special BBC Panorama programme tonight will reveal how British and US intelligence agencies were informed by top sources months before the invasion that Iraq had no active WMD programme, and that the information was not passed to subsequent inquiries.

It describes how Naji Sabri, Saddam's foreign minister, told the CIA's station chief in Paris at the time, Bill Murray, through an intermediary that Iraq had "virtually nothing" in terms of WMD.

Sabri said in a statement that the Panorama story was "totally fabricated".

However, Panorama confirms that three months before the war an MI6 officer met Iraq's head of intelligence, Tahir Habbush al-Tikriti, who also said that Saddam had no active WMD. The meeting in the Jordanian capital, Amman, took place days before the British government published its now widely discredited Iraqi weapons dossier in September 2002.

Lord Butler, the former cabinet secretary who led an inquiry into the use of intelligence in the runup to the invasion of Iraq, tells the programme that he was not told about Sabri's comments, and that he should have been.

Butler says of the use of intelligence: "There were ways in which people were misled or misled themselves at all stages."

When it was suggested to him that the body that probably felt most misled of all was the British public, Butler replied: "Yes, I think they're, they're, they got every reason think that."

The programme shows how the then chief of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove, responded to information from Iraqi sources later acknowledged to be unreliable.

One unidentified MI6 officer has told the Chilcot inquiry that at one stage information was "being torn off the teleprinter and rushed across to Number 10".

Another said it was "wishful thinking.....promised the crock of gold at the end of the rainbow".

The programme says that MI6 stood by claims that Iraq was buying uranium from Niger, though these were dismissed by other intelligence agencies, including the French.

It also shows how claims by Iraqis were treated seriously by elements in MI6 and the CIA even after they were exposed as fabricated including claims, notably about alleged mobile biological warfare containers, made by Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, a German source codenamed Curveball. He admitted to the Guardian in 2011 that all the information he gave to the west was fabricated.

Panorama says it asked for an interview with Blair but he said he was "too busy".

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Fuck Israel

2013-03-18 06:06:36

#9732

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6328|eXtreme to the maX

Mutantbear wrote:
Maybe it was the OP of that thread Spoiler (highlight to read):
hes been pretty drunk lately

That explains it, I thought I didn't imagine it.

The banks are fucking us all, Blankfein should be in a cell.

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Fuck Israel

2013-03-18 06:12:22

#9733

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4477

dilbert i came here just to link the same article. nice to see we read the same things with our morning tea/coffee.

what an odious little man. national disgrace. i'm doubly mad because, not only has he killed 1.5 million iraqis, but he's helped to create the means to which people like jay can now feel entitled and middle-class. a disgusting travesty, indeed.

2013-03-18 06:12:48

#9734

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5580|London, England

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
who was the OP? burnz? lol. now it all makes sense.

still. jay comes in and calls me a "socialist" for explaining patiently why austerity cuts affect ordinary people. flag-waving commie i am! what a fucking intellectual gnat, swarming around the cornhole of a bison.

You're an idiot is what you are.

Here, write another epic response to the truth: People were promised things that the government ultimately couldn't afford to give them. Their quality of life was an illusion built on public debt.

You can say whatever you want in response, I don't care. You can turn it into another rant about my personal life, as if it's relevant.

In the other thread, you argued for four pages... about nothing. You had no ideas. You had no knowledge to share. You just got frustrated about not understanding anything about economics and changed the subject to me. I really wish you would grow up and stop trying to argue with everyone about everything. You're not nearly as smart as you think you are.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-18 06:19:40

#9735

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4477

lol. you understand economics but you don't understand how austerity cuts will affect ordinary people? ok. you understand economics, but you think the instruction to "remove subsidies" will fix the EU market? you talk about tax breaks and exemptions being universally bad because they "harm competition", demonstrating a complete cluelessness about the entire european project - and, the icing on the cake being your own painfully obvious personal contradictions. it's not a sideshow because i know nothing about economics - i took economics at pre-university level, if you want to argue over graphs and diagrams, that would be fun - it's the fact you know NOTHING outside of your dogmatic little libertarian textbook. the EU is not a paper model.

2013-03-18 06:25:21

#9736

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6897|Canberra, AUS

This was part of what I was talking about in the other thread re: economics and a bit more attention being paid to real-world evidence. It really is bizarre when it comes to austerity - the harder it fails and the more it is rejected by the populace (and dangerously radicalizes it in the same hit) the more the powers-that-be push it as the solution to everything.

Gotta wonder how much more pain Europe has to take before someone who matters realises that hey, this isn't quite working as planned.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2013-03-18 06:33:58

#9737

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4477

but austerity isn't having negative effects on the common people of europe? it's textbook good economics being put into praxis!

i also like how jay completely ignored all my 'economical' points in counter to his vapid theorizing. like how the economy of the UK has completely stopped because of nobody willingly spending money. sort of contradicts his little theories, doesn't it?

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2013-03-18 06:43:46

#9738

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5580|London, England

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
but austerity isn't having negative effects on the common people of europe? it's textbook good economics being put into praxis!

i also like how jay completely ignored all my 'economical' points in counter to his vapid theorizing. like how the economy of the UK has completely stopped because of nobody willingly spending money. sort of contradicts his little theories, doesn't it?

I called you a socialist because you act like people have a god given right to a propped up lifestyle. Of course cuts will hurt, I never argued otherwise, but that doesn't change their necessity. It's got nothing to do with libertarian utopias and everything to do with simple math: they can't afford it, it's unsustainable, it has to go and a sustainable model installed in its place.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-18 06:48:52

#9739

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4477

i think you are viewing it all a little too deliciously from your american perspective, sort of vicariously enjoying a convenient (and wrong) understanding of the whole crisis being provoked by a 'propped up imaginary lifestyle' and 'achieved comfort that wasn't real'. that's not how it is at all. some welfare states ran at a deficit - true. but a financial crisis and meltdown? that's banks, and bad loaning. most of the european welfare models were operating largely on public taxpayer money, with no major economic woes. what caused the western financial crisis? european's "propped up lifestyle"? lol you are a joke dude.

it's a very slanted perspective of the crisis, for you, isn't it? ignoring most of the elements that have contributed, and continue to contribute, to economic meltdown, in order to get a 'one up' for "little government" and "no state involvement". you're turning a banking crisis into a political propaganda victory.

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2013-03-18 06:59:17

#9740

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4477

brilliant

have a lot of time for steve bell

2013-03-18 07:05:59

#9741

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5580|London, England

Uzi, the governments overspent and overpromised during the boom, and weren't prepared for the bust. My government was guilty of it too. Irrational exuberance based on the belief that the boom was the new normal led to austerity. Politicians do one thing: they spend money for votes and they don't think beyond the next election cycle. That political model needs to go away and be replaced by rational spending habits a la Australia and Canada, who happen to have a lot of socialist programs in place, but have found a way to make it all sustainable. I'm not saying that Europe needs to go completely free market capitalism, just that it needs to figure out a way to grow an economy without everyone being on the dole. Keynesian stimulus is non-sustainable, especially when it becomes permanent.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-18 07:07:56

#9742

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4477

except hardly anyone in europe is "on the dole". it's this rhetoric again of everyone being lazy, or on government welfare. welfare in the UK hardly accounts for 20% of the annual budget. "propped up lifestyle" causing the crash? you don't know what you are talking about.

2013-03-18 07:14:19

#9743

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5808

The U.S. spends 5% of the Federal budget on programs for the poor.

2013-03-18 07:14:30

#9744

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5580|London, England

Subsidies are the same thing as being on the dole. You don't seem to understand that. Massive bureacracies, subsidies, welfare, it's all G in P = C+ I +G, surely you remember that equation mr knowitall.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-18 07:21:05

#9745

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4477

i'm not talking about that. i'm talking about the rhetoric of people being "on the dole", and somehow "deserving" a massive reduction in their living quality (because of a banking crisis). it's poor rhetoric. in europe, 'welfare' is the major defining part of our societies: we pay tax to the state, and we want many services rendered in exchange. we don't want 'no tax, no state'; we want taxation and we want representation and services. we operate on an entirely different model. you deploy this barbed rhetoric about europe being 'lazy' or 'indigent' and "luxuriating in that it cannot afford". no. economic mismanagement since reagan/neo-liberal experiment? perhaps. but that's because the financial industry got out of control, not the state and its average contributing members. europe has operated with welfare, subsidies and 'massive bureaucracies' since the great wars rebuild. 'mr know it all'.

2013-03-18 07:21:32

#9746

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4477

Macbeth wrote:
The U.S. spends 5% of the Federal budget on programs for the poor.

yeah and that's working really well for you, isn't it. you have debt problems just like europe and you don't even take care of your vulnerable.

2013-03-18 09:31:22

#9747

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|6998|Moscow, Russia

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
economic mismanagement since reagan/neo-liberal experiment? perhaps. but that's because the financial industry got out of control, not the state and its average contributing members.

he hasn't reached the part of his book that explains financial capitalism yet, man. you are wasting your time.

also, "financial industry"? really?

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-03-18 11:02:15

#9748

13/f/taiwan: Member; +940|5921

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
The U.S. spends 5% of the Federal budget on programs for the poor.
yeah and that's working really well for you, isn't it. you have debt problems just like europe and you don't even take care of your vulnerable.

the most vulnerable in this country(and the world) are children. yet somehow, people who claim to believe in jesus and follow his teachings believe that social programs are a waste of money and if you're poor, it's because you don't work hard enough.

2013-03-18 11:06:13

#9749

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4477

Shahter wrote:
Uzique The Lesser wrote:
economic mismanagement since reagan/neo-liberal experiment? perhaps. but that's because the financial industry got out of control, not the state and its average contributing members.
he hasn't reached the part of his book that explains financial capitalism yet, man. you are wasting your time.

also, "financial industry"? really?

finance 'sector' then, sure, if you prefer. there's no difference. in the US it is sometimes referred to as the "finance industry". there are different types of industry, you know: primary, secondary, tertiary, (quarternary). they are used interchangeably; it's just semantics. make a real fucking point.

2013-03-18 11:08:29

#9750

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4477

13/f/taiwan wrote:
Uzique The Lesser wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
The U.S. spends 5% of the Federal budget on programs for the poor.
yeah and that's working really well for you, isn't it. you have debt problems just like europe and you don't even take care of your vulnerable.
the most vulnerable in this country(and the world) are children. yet somehow, people who claim to believe in jesus and follow his teachings believe that social programs are a waste of money and if you're poor, it's because you don't work hard enough.

political science undergrads in america don't get told to read their weber?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic

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