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Jay wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:

Yeah, so these exist.
Apparently they received $2M from the Department of Homeland Security to develop those...
Yup. Screw tasing 12 year olds, just shoot the fuckers.
Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!
Jay
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This is pretty cool:
Researchers have discovered a stunning new process that takes the energy from coal without burning it -- and removes virtually all of the pollution.

The clean coal technique was developed by scientists at The Ohio State University, with just $5 million in funding from the federal government, and took 15 years to achieve.

“We’ve been working on this for more than a decade,” Liang-Shih Fan, a chemical engineer and director of OSU’s Clean Coal Research Laboratory, told FoxNews.com, calling it a new energy conversion process. “We found a way to release the heat from coal without burning.”

The process removes 99 percent of the pollution from coal, which some scientists link to global warming. Coal-burning power plants produced about one-third of the nation’s carbon dioxide total in 2010, or about 2.3 billion metric tons, according to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

Retrofitting them with the new process would be costly, but it would cut billions of tons of pollution.

“In the simplest sense, conventional combustion is a chemical reaction that consumes oxygen and produces heat,” Fan fold FoxNews.com.

“Unfortunately, it also produces carbon dioxide, which is difficult to capture and bad for the environment.”

And simply put, the new process isn't.

Fan discovered a way to heat coal, using iron-oxide pellets for an oxygen source and containing the reaction in a small, heated chamber from which pollutants cannot escape. The only waste product is therefore water and coal ash -- no greenhouse gases. As an added benefit, the metal from the iron-oxide can be recycled.

“Oxidation” is the chemical combination of a substance with oxygen. Contrast this with old-fashioned, coal-fired plants, which use oxygen to burn the coal and generate heat. This in turn makes steam, which turns giant turbines and sends power down electric lines.

The main by-product of that old process — carbon dioxide, known chemically as CO2 — is released through smokestacks into the earth’s atmosphere.
Fan’s process, called “coal-direct chemical looping,” has been proven in a small scale lab at OSU. The next step is to take it to a larger test facility in Alabama, and Fan believes the technology can be commercialized and used to power an energy plant within five to 10 years, if all goes smoothly. The technology generated 25 kilowatts of thermal energy in current tests; the Alabama site will generate 250 kilowatts.

Some environmentalists are skeptical of the technology, and of the idea of clean coal in general.

“Claiming that coal is clean because it could be clean -- if a new technically unproven and economically dubious technology might be adopted -- is like someone claiming that belladonna is not poisonous because there is a new unproven safe pill under development,” wrote Donald Brown at liberal think tank Climate Progress.

Yet the federal Department of Energy believes that the process can create 20 megawatts to 50 megawatts by 2020, said Jared Ciferno, the agency’s director of coal and power-production research and development, in a statement.

The government plans to continue to support the project, as well as the concept of "clean coal" in general.

Meanwhile, Fan is exploring the possibility of establishing a start-up company and licensing the process to utilities, and has the potential to patent 35 different parts of the process.

Other scientists and experts are enthused about the prospects for this technology.

Yan Feng with Argonne National Laboratory's Environmental Science Division, Climate Research Section, called it “an advancement in chemical engineering. “It is very important that we act on CO2 capturing and sequestration as well as emission controls of other warming agents like tropospheric ozone and black carbon."

Adds a spokesman for Kingsport, Tenn.-based Eastman Chemical Company, a global Fortune 250 chemical manufacturer that works in clean energy, “researchers continue to uncover innovative ways to use coal efficiently/sustainably.”
Concludes Dawei Wang, a research associate at OSU, the technology's potential benefits even go beyond the environment and issues like sustainability.

"The plant could really promote our energy independence. Not only can we use America's natural resources such as Ohio coal, but we can keep our air clean and spur the economy with jobs,” he said.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/ … z2LYHs5bn9

I think this is super cool, but I have a problem with researchers being able to take government money to fund their research and then turning around and patenting everything they worked on. That stuff should all be in the public domain imo.
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" The process removes 99 percent of the pollution from coal, which some scientists link to global warming"

lol @ FoxNews
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Someone's gotta say it...

Coal story, bro.
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Dad defends 3 accused in rape of 7-year-old daughter
[...]
“She was not raped, was not gang-raped,” Robin Lord, attorney for suspect Gregory Leary, said. “I’m 100 percent certain that the 7-year-old was not sexually assaulted. The allegations will not be substantiated by any forensic evidence.”
[...]
“These boys are victims of their own hormones,” Lord said.
[...]
What? So wait, Mr. defense attorney? Are you saying they did or didn't rape this kid?
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Jay wrote:

This is pretty cool:
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/ … z2LYHs5bn9

I think this is super cool, but I have a problem with researchers being able to take government money to fund their research and then turning around and patenting everything they worked on. That stuff should all be in the public domain imo.
The net process is still Coal+Air->CO2 +H2O, but its a neat way of avoiding having to remove the Nitrogen from the input air - which is usually expensive.

The CO2 is compressed and stored, and there's still no CO2 storage solution so really its a more efficient way of solving half the problem, while the other harder half remains unsolved.

Still, its neat and a step forward.
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Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

This is pretty cool:
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/ … z2LYHs5bn9

I think this is super cool, but I have a problem with researchers being able to take government money to fund their research and then turning around and patenting everything they worked on. That stuff should all be in the public domain imo.
The net process is still Coal+Air->CO2 +H2O, but its a neat way of avoiding having to remove the Nitrogen from the input air - which is usually expensive.

The CO2 is compressed and stored, and there's still no CO2 storage solution so really its a more efficient way of solving half the problem, while the other harder half remains unsolved.

Still, its neat and a step forward.
Do you have a link to the paper? All I've seen is that article.
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Good thing CO2 isn't completely useless.
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Family Lives Without Money—By Choice—and Thrives

A Berlin family of three has been living on practically nothing but love and the goodwill of others--
That's pretty much where I stopped reading. I don't think a money strike is worth a damn if you're just going to use other people's money.
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The Oscars are really America fuck yeah this year. The 3 leading movies are Lincoln, Argo, and Zero Dark Thirty.

A movie about Lincoln fighting the civil war, another about Americans outsmarting Iranians to save Americans and the last a romanticized telling of Osama's killing.

There is going to be so much crying about a liberal media if the academy decides to give a bunch of awards to Les Miserables
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I haven't seen any of those yet, but I just rented Argo and want to watch Lincoln and Les Misérables. I can live without Zero Dark Thirty, but will probably be roped into it someday.
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Jay wrote:

Do you have a link to the paper? All I've seen is that article.
The article was a little hyped.
h ttp://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/proceedings/09/CO2/pdfs/5289%20Ohio%20State%20chemical%20looping%20(Li)%20mar09.pdf
(Long links don't make hyperlinks, remove the space)
http://www.conference.net.au/chemeca2011/papers/451.pdf
ABSTRACT
Chemical-Looping combustion (CLC) is a novel technique where a metal oxide is used
to transfer oxygen from the combustion air to the coal. Two inter-connected fluidized
beds are used as fuel and air reactor for this purpose. The metal oxide is reduced by
reaction with coal in fuel reactor and then transported to the air reactor for (re)oxidation.
Thus the direct contact between air and coal is avoided and the fuel reactor outlet gas
consists of almost pure stream of CO2 ready for sequestration, when water vapour is
condensed.
So, more efficient than other methods but doesn't solve the sequestration problem.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-02-23 04:25:12)

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Remember how US nuclear guys were all like "aww, Japan nuclear power plants? lol noobs."

Six tanks now said to be leaking at contaminated Hanford nuclear site

Also from that article:

An estimated 1 million gallons of waste has seeped out of the underground tanks and reached groundwater that will eventually reach the Columbia River, scientists say. The U.S. plans to build a plant to turn the waste into low-level radioactive glass for safe storage, but that facility is years behind schedule for its projected opening in 2019.
Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

Do you have a link to the paper? All I've seen is that article.
The article was a little hyped.
h ttp://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/proceedings/09/CO2/pdfs/5289%20Ohio%20State%20chemical%20looping%20(Li)%20mar09.pdf
(Long links don't make hyperlinks, remove the space)
http://www.conference.net.au/chemeca2011/papers/451.pdf
ABSTRACT
Chemical-Looping combustion (CLC) is a novel technique where a metal oxide is used
to transfer oxygen from the combustion air to the coal. Two inter-connected fluidized
beds are used as fuel and air reactor for this purpose. The metal oxide is reduced by
reaction with coal in fuel reactor and then transported to the air reactor for (re)oxidation.
Thus the direct contact between air and coal is avoided and the fuel reactor outlet gas
consists of almost pure stream of CO2 ready for sequestration, when water vapour is
condensed.
So, more efficient than other methods but doesn't solve the sequestration problem.
You gain efficiency on the turbines, but then give it right back to run a compressor, all for the measly cost of $100M... Net loss of 26MW. Unless coal becomes even cheaper than it is right now, I don't see us returning to it when we have so much natural gas to play with.

As for the CO2, they're compressing it, they could use it in fire extinguishers, or refrigeration units, or dump the tanks in the middle of the ocean for all it really matters.



man, all that work just to replace the burner...
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Jay
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NEWARK, N.J. –  Residents of this city's Ironbound neighborhood are familiar with big modes of transport. Jumbo jets fly so low while approaching Newark Airport that it seems one can hop onto a wing. Double-decker trains race through, ferrying passengers to New York City. Trucks rumble down narrow streets where the smell of Portuguese barbecue wafts through the air and Brazilian music emanates from stores and cars.
But some here and in neighborhoods near other East Coast ports are leery of the monster ships that will soon arrive because of a trade project thousands of miles away that they believe will harm their air quality, roadways and waterways.
"We can't afford any additional environmental burdens," said Joseph Della Fave, executive director of the Ironbound Community Corp.
East and Gulf coast ports are jockeying against one another, scrambling to accommodate so-called "post-Panamax" ships: massive vessels that can traverse an expanded Panama Canal. The $5.25 billion project is expected to be completed in 2015 and will nearly triple the size of ships that can travel the canal.
Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2 … z2LlaGhtBZ

I hate dumb people. Yes, the size of each ship will triple, but there will be 1/3rd as many ships as there were before because of it. Pollution will actually decrease if the project goes through because modern ships are much more efficient and burn LSDO in port to comply with clean air laws.
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There won't be less ships lol. Will actually be an increase.
Jay
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If it's the only Post-Panamax port on the East Coast, yes, otherwise, no.
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A larger canal means less ships. Got it.
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That is sarcasm.
Jay
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Macbeth wrote:

A larger canal means less ships. Got it.
Yes. It does. Same amount of cargo, triple the ship size, means there will be 1/3rd the ships. I forgot you went to a Maritime college...
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Right because docks don't expand. Do you know how much unused land Bayonne has on the water?
Jay
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Right because docks don't expand. Do you know how much unused land Bayonne has on the water?
It doesn't matter. They're going to bigger ships because it cuts down on fuel and crew costs. Economies of scale. It's why they use ULCC tankers even though they can't go through the Suez. Less ships, bigger ships, carrying the same overall amount of cargo for less money. Newark won't see much of an increase in tonnage traffic.
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keep me updated
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yes that is a tire that flew into the stands among other pieces of metal and stuff

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