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http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/only-you … e-pipeline

yeah, it's vice. but it's also greg palast, so fuck you

he should have gotten one of those rifles for legs

That would suck cleaning bubble gum out of the barrel or walking through mud.

Uzique The Loser wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Comparing metaphors in a poem - a critical skill why?

indeed. comparing on the level of analogy - why a critical skill?!?!?!?

being able to use and understand analogical thought is key to human critical endeavour and reasoning. the fact your age 13 english teacher fingered you has really left an irrational and blinding hatred, hasn't it?

Nice personal attack, you're a fine one-trick snake aren't you?

But what use are analogies or metaphors really?  I don't see it as remotely useful, if anything it gets in the way of clear thinking.

In my experience they're used by people who either don't want to address an issue or hide the fact they don't understand it.

As for its utility as a test of reading ability - to use an analogy its as useful as measuring how good a fish is at swimming by seeing how well it can ride a bicycle.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-02-15 01:13:17)

Comparative analogies - I don't see the use though.

There's a difference between describing something using a wholly different set of tools, maths for example, as opposed to redescribing something with a different set of words for no particular purpose other than to confuse the issue or fill a rainy afternoon.

before you can use the tools such as math and logic, you need to sharpen those tools on something - the language is one excellent sharpening tool, imo, and it also provides for a lot of fun in the process.
now, i'm kinda on the same side of this as you, dilbert - i truly despise that notion held by uziques of this world that they are somehow up there above the likes of me simply because they can - or think they can - decipher whatever it is impressionists mean by those blobs of paint they put to paper, but, as i said before, without those people among us pretending to know how to be decent men in indecent word we tend to get to gas-chambers and gulags pretty damn fast.

as i said, language and connected skills are central to all of this. without that you cannot hope to succeed in most fields.
but, and i agree with you on that, the uziques do tend to needlessly complicate shit, sometimes down to outright absurdity.

p.s. and i was being "metaphorical" about decency and stuff. or simply failed at english again - that's also a possibility.

globefish23 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I suppose 'The Final Solution' is the starkest example. Why didn't they call it "The Subhumans Extermination Plan"?
Evil men have to disguise their thoughts, decent people don't.

Yes, that's why the decent people need those skills, to see through such disguises.

The Jedi apparently lacked those skills as well, since Dark Sidious could fool them all this time, hiding his Sith ambitions and disguising as Emperor Palpatine.

It was Chancellor Palpatine. He became emperor after the Jedi were destroyed.

Shahter wrote:

before you can use the tools such as math and logic, you need to sharpen those tools on something - the language is one excellent sharpening tool, imo, and it also provides for a lot of fun in the process.
now, i'm kinda on the same side of this as you, dilbert - i truly despise that notion held by uziques of this world that they are somehow up there above the likes of me simply because they can - or think they can - decipher whatever it is impressionists mean by those blobs of paint they put to paper, but, as i said before, without those people among us pretending to know how to be decent men in indecent word we tend to get to gas-chambers and gulags pretty damn fast.

The irony here is that Hitler was an artist...

Shahter wrote:

before you can use the tools such as math and logic, you need to sharpen those tools on something - the language is one excellent sharpening tool, imo, and it also provides for a lot of fun in the process.
now, i'm kinda on the same side of this as you, dilbert - i truly despise that notion held by uziques of this world that they are somehow up there above the likes of me simply because they can - or think they can - decipher whatever it is impressionists mean by those blobs of paint they put to paper, but, as i said before, without those people among us pretending to know how to be decent men in indecent word we tend to get to gas-chambers and gulags pretty damn fast.

lol what? "the uziques of this world" up there or above "with the likes of you"? lol. where have i ever made out i'm better than you because i understand impressionist painting? why am i the figure-head for a brand of art critic/painting snob that i have never been on this board? a strange choice of stand-in. &, hahaha,  you sound magnanimous even though you are being incredibly arrogant. you exhibit a distrust and contempt for academics/intellectuals, on the grounds of their snobbism, whilst saying "up there with the likes of me" - the most flagrant self-regard i have seen in this forum for a while. what a confused muddle of reasoning in your head.

dilbert, analogy is useful in math and philosophy as much as it is in flowery purple prose and evasive presidential speeches. many abstract logical theorems are 'unlocked' by analogy or lateral thinking. on a very basic level of heuristics/hermeneutics, being able to (super)impose the meaning or form of something upon another object is a crucial part of human reasoning and cognition - it's a secondary layer of abstraction and reflection that sets us apart from mere computational machines. i know you're a hardcore engineer and all, but can you really only appreciate the computational aspects of the human brain? that's half of the picture - the half quite easily bested by current machine technology. you lose, in other words. analogy and metaphor and analysis of that kind are what separates humans as a unique sapiens. analogy is a key part of reasoning. if you don't see its function, you clearly are both terribly read and terribly blinded by your petty and boring "science > all omg" crap. honestly, you ramp on this shit so often, it's more than tiresome... it comes across as an actual neurosis. the lengths you will go to attack anything that isn't contained in a science textbook actually leaves me kind of dumbstruck sometimes... as well as feeling a little sad and empty inside (and not for the reasons you intend). i just don't understand what sort of life trauma you have suffered that makes you so fervently stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalala i can't hear you!" whenever something non-mathematical comes up. you come across as autistic.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-02-15 09:08:03)

Jay wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/only-you-can-stop-the-xl-keystone-pipeline

yeah, it's vice. but it's also greg palast, so fuck you

Any time someone mentions the Koch brothers they are basically telling the world they are a lefty wingnut, just like anytime someone mentions George Soros it paints them as a right wing political hack. They're bogeymen in our country for the extremists.

so you can't say anything about the most powerful men because its a cliché to talk about them? oh, okay then. go ahead with your questionable activity, koch brothers! heaven forbid people on the internet find your investigative journalism unoriginal.

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Jay wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/only-you-can-stop-the-xl-keystone-pipeline

yeah, it's vice. but it's also greg palast, so fuck you

Any time someone mentions the Koch brothers they are basically telling the world they are a lefty wingnut, just like anytime someone mentions George Soros it paints them as a right wing political hack. They're bogeymen in our country for the extremists.

so you can't say anything about the most powerful men because its a cliché to talk about them? oh, okay then. go ahead with your questionable activity, koch brothers! heaven forbid people on the internet find your investigative journalism unoriginal.

It's gotten to the point that any time I see the names Koch or Soros I roll my eyes. Environmentalists sees a Koch brother behind every tree when their dreams of turning the world into a collectivist utopia subsisting on recycled urine and fuzzy mushrooms are thwarted. It gets old.