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2013-01-27 11:10:17
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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Macbeth wrote:

What made it blow up?
Russian tanks store ammo around the turret ring with no protection, so whatever they fired (RPG, AT gun) probably hit one of the shells and caused an instantaneous cook-off. If you look at footage or pics from the Gulf War you'll see loads of Soviet-built tanks with their turrets lying away from the hull. Like a cork from a bottle.

As for that chopper, at a guess I'd say the fuel tanks were damaged and leaking, hit the hot engine and...well, what happened.

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2013-01-27 11:21:22
Macbeth
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Did you see the video from inside the building as the tank fires into it?
2013-01-27 11:24:03
Macbeth
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oh found it
[video]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=91e_1358349215[/video]
2013-01-27 11:29:35
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6674|Escea

Absolutely insane some of the footage that comes out.



Regardless of who these guys were, that's one horrific way to go.
2013-01-27 12:30:21
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7141|Tampa Bay Florida
Hooray for war

holy shit thats like a bbq

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2013-01-27 12:38:04
Macbeth
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hooray for smartphones

You know there is only a handful of pictures from inside the world trade center during the attack? All taken by one man. Back then phones didn't have cameras and digital cameras were big and expensive. Now every phone has a camera and stand alone cameras are small and cheap.

Can you imagine the footage we would have of stuff like 9/11 and the Titanic if people had smart phones back then? What about world war 1 and 2. The Napoleonic wars etc.

I think all this footage coming back from warzones is a good thing. If people are faced with the reality of what war entails hopefully they will be less eager to go to war or accept their country's involvement in war.
2013-01-27 13:20:43
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7141|Tampa Bay Florida
True.  It's also pretty useful in stopping police brutality.  Its good for watchdog purposes.
2013-01-27 14:32:46
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
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Macbeth wrote:

I think all this footage coming back from warzones is a good thing. If people are faced with the reality of what war entails hopefully they will be less eager to go to war or accept their country's involvement in war.
plus violent footage gives you a hard-on
2013-01-28 03:16:03
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7141|Tampa Bay Florida
Well haven't we all been conditioned to get hard ons after watching violence?

Also, it's better to watch the real thing, rather than fake Michael Bay-Hollywood bullshit.  Not better as in, oh its getting me a hard on, better as in, holy shit that really just happened and someone caught it on camera.
2013-01-28 03:17:41
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5629|Sydney
I find actual violence slightly disturbing to watch.
2013-01-28 03:34:27
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7141|Tampa Bay Florida
So do I -- I also find Quentin Tarantino movies disturbing to watch, doesn't mean I won't watch them though.
2013-01-28 04:18:27
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6450|...

Macbeth wrote:

I think all this footage coming back from warzones is a good thing. If people are faced with the reality of what war entails hopefully they will be less eager to go to war or accept their country's involvement in war.
bull, people have been exposed to the 'realities of war' on a far more personal and real level  in the past than most people alive today. Not to mention that photo/video documentation of war violence exists since WW1.

Its only purpose is to entertain people like you really. Wouldn't surprise me if you visit gore sites for fun.

Jaekus wrote:

I find actual violence slightly disturbing to watch.
It is. Anyone who seeks it out for the thrill of a shock is twisted. Not because it's hard to watch but because it shows a disrespect for human beings and a lack of empathy.
inane little opines
2013-01-28 04:19:47
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5629|Sydney
I don't necessarily find it hard to watch, I mean I've seen videos other people have put on where people get shot in the head, but it just leaves me with a sick feeling for a while afterwards. I avoid such videos.
2013-01-28 04:30:43
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5809|London, England

Shocking wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

I think all this footage coming back from warzones is a good thing. If people are faced with the reality of what war entails hopefully they will be less eager to go to war or accept their country's involvement in war.
bull, people have been exposed to the 'realities of war' on a far more personal and real level  in the past than most people alive today. Not to mention that photo/video documentation of war violence exists since WW1.

Its only purpose is to entertain people like you really. Wouldn't surprise me if you visit gore sites for fun.

Jaekus wrote:

I find actual violence slightly disturbing to watch.
It is. Anyone who seeks it out for the thrill of a shock is twisted. Not because it's hard to watch but because it shows a disrespect for human beings and a lack of empathy.
People who watch videos of war are no closer to understanding it than someone who watches a video of the Grand Canyon and thinks he's experienced the full scope and breadth of the place and no longer has to visit to really understand it. Fear, anger, panic, terror, excitement, these are the emotions that race through someone in combat. Voyeuristically watching videos doesn't convey even 1% of what it's like to actually be in the situation. Videos like that are for people who have watched too many gory movies and played too many zombie video games to get off on fake blood anymore. The funny thing is, if he stepped into an MMA octagon one time he'd never watch any of that crap again.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2013-01-28 04:47:55
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6450|...

Jay wrote:

Shocking wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

I think all this footage coming back from warzones is a good thing. If people are faced with the reality of what war entails hopefully they will be less eager to go to war or accept their country's involvement in war.
bull, people have been exposed to the 'realities of war' on a far more personal and real level  in the past than most people alive today. Not to mention that photo/video documentation of war violence exists since WW1.

Its only purpose is to entertain people like you really. Wouldn't surprise me if you visit gore sites for fun.

Jaekus wrote:

I find actual violence slightly disturbing to watch.
It is. Anyone who seeks it out for the thrill of a shock is twisted. Not because it's hard to watch but because it shows a disrespect for human beings and a lack of empathy.
People who watch videos of war are no closer to understanding it than someone who watches a video of the Grand Canyon and thinks he's experienced the full scope and breadth of the place and no longer has to visit to really understand it. Fear, anger, panic, terror, excitement, these are the emotions that race through someone in combat. Voyeuristically watching videos doesn't convey even 1% of what it's like to actually be in the situation. Videos like that are for people who have watched too many gory movies and played too many zombie video games to get off on fake blood anymore. The funny thing is, if he stepped into an MMA octagon one time he'd never watch any of that crap again.
I was referring to say, WW1 and 2 when hundreds of thousands of veterans came home (or didn't), many of whom were mutilated or suffering from some serious mental issues which society now had to deal with. Then again I'm also from continental Europe where both wars left their marks much more visibly.

I do agree though

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inane little opines
2013-01-28 04:53:09
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7141|Tampa Bay Florida
Maybe macbeth or some other people pretend to know the realities of war, I sure don't.  It's good because there's tons of shit that never makes the nightly news -- oh okay, there's a shootout or a car chase going on somewhere, well, there's a whole war and bloodbath going on in some areas of the world.  It's not like we just watch the combat videos, plenty of people such as myself like to keep in touch with the details of specific stories, whether it's Libya or Iraq or Syria.  And just stumbling across some of the gory and horrific bits, well, hell, I'd rather it'd be available for everyone to see than to be censored the way cable news networks do it.  I don't really consider being all that different than driving down the road and slowing down when you drive next to a horrible car accident -- everyone does it and its natural to be curious.

example -- During the first few months of the Iraq war.  I think Amy Goodman or someone did a story about how the mainstream media covered it as if it were a football game -- shallow descriptions of weapons systems and drawings and charts of all the various tools available to the military.  As well as the infamous "imbedded" journalists  Then you go outside the mainstream, and you find really fucked up shit.  Dead children, for example.  Stuff that no one else was reporting, or even acknowledging the existence of.

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2013-01-28 04:56:01
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6450|...
imo it's more wrong than good. I still remember news networks cruising around Utoya island showing video of all the dead kids that were lying on the shores. It was incredibly morbid and disrespectful.
inane little opines
2013-01-28 05:06:45
Macbeth
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Less than 1% of the U.S. population is in the military. Less than 1% of those have suffered losses in war. Americans are insulated from the wars in the middle east to a point where we make video games like BF2 to live the experience of war. This reality is why the Bush administration put a ban on photographing coffins coming back from Iraq. Deaths were just numbers being told on the T.V. after the 6 o'clock news.

It is also why we discount gun deaths in this country when taking about the second amendment. Because every time someone gets killed by a gun in some urban center the most we will see is some police tape and a picture of the person alive. Hence why people won't let any New guns laws go through since they are insulated from the reality behind those numbers we hear on the news.

I think Jay wouldn't be so quick to write off gun deaths if one of them happened to a family member instead of some black kid in Chicago. Funny you should call me a sociopath since in your owns words

Jay wrote:

of course I can discount them. I don't go into their neighborhoods and they don't come into mine.
2013-01-28 05:12:40
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
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we are insulated and still will be regardless of video documentation being shown. It's merely the modern day equivalent of watching public executions as they did in the middle ages. Entertainment. It doesn't make someone understand what's going on, it's simply a little shock value being thrown in people's faces.

We all know kids and innocent people die in war and that some people get horrifically injured. We all know what it means when a news report shows up on people being hung or beheaded. There's no need for video of these facts.
inane little opines
2013-01-28 05:26:48
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5809|London, England

Macbeth wrote:

Less than 1% of the U.S. population is in the military. Less than 1% of those have suffered losses in war. Americans are insulated from the wars in the middle east to a point where we make video games like BF2 to live the experience of war. This reality is why the Bush administration put a ban on photographing coffins coming back from Iraq. Deaths were just numbers being told on the T.V. after the 6 o'clock news.

It is also why we discount gun deaths in this country when taking about the second amendment. Because every time someone gets killed by a gun in some urban center the most we will see is some police tape and a picture of the person alive. Hence why people won't let any New guns laws go through since they are insulated from the reality behind those numbers we hear on the news.

I think Jay wouldn't be so quick to write off gun deaths if one of them happened to a family member instead of some black kid in Chicago. Funny you should call me a sociopath since in your owns words

Jay wrote:

of course I can discount them. I don't go into their neighborhoods and they don't come into mine.
Perks of not being dirt poor anymore. Poor people are going to find ways to kill each other no matter how strict you make the laws regarding guns. I watched two kids bash each other in the head with bricks during recess in middle school. Did they need a gun to hurt each other? No. Were they the type that would respect gun restrictions? No. The only reason you are pro gun ban is because you can't legally own a weapon. It's your way of giving the finger to the world.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2013-01-28 05:27:23
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7141|Tampa Bay Florida

Shocking wrote:

We all know kids and innocent people die in war and that some people get horrifically injured.
No, some people do not.  Especially when it's not reported in the news.

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2013-01-28 05:39:18
Macbeth
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Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Less than 1% of the U.S. population is in the military. Less than 1% of those have suffered losses in war. Americans are insulated from the wars in the middle east to a point where we make video games like BF2 to live the experience of war. This reality is why the Bush administration put a ban on photographing coffins coming back from Iraq. Deaths were just numbers being told on the T.V. after the 6 o'clock news.

It is also why we discount gun deaths in this country when taking about the second amendment. Because every time someone gets killed by a gun in some urban center the most we will see is some police tape and a picture of the person alive. Hence why people won't let any New guns laws go through since they are insulated from the reality behind those numbers we hear on the news.

I think Jay wouldn't be so quick to write off gun deaths if one of them happened to a family member instead of some black kid in Chicago. Funny you should call me a sociopath since in your owns words

Jay wrote:

of course I can discount them. I don't go into their neighborhoods and they don't come into mine.
Perks of not being dirt poor anymore. Poor people are going to find ways to kill each other no matter how strict you make the laws regarding guns. I watched two kids bash each other in the head with bricks during recess in middle school. Did they need a gun to hurt each other? No. Were they the type that would respect gun restrictions? No. The only reason you are pro gun ban is because you can't legally own a weapon. It's your way of giving the finger to the world.
I am not for a gun ban nor am I banned from owning a weapon. Thanks for educating me about myself though.

And thank you for admitting you don't care about people dying from gun violence because you are middle class now and what the plebs do doesn't matter. Such a enlightened world view. So worldly.
2013-01-28 06:04:43
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5809|London, England
No, it's just realistic. Pragmatism vs Idealism. There will always be poor people no matter how you try to stand the world on its head in order to make it otherwise. I don't want people to suffer, and I certainly don't want to see the poor preyed on by people in a better situation, but these aren't children.

You have to understand something about poor people. They fucking despise people like you. Loathe is too subtle a word. Why? Because of the patrimonial 'I know what's best for you and how to help you' vibe you give off when you talk about this stuff. Sure, they'll vote you into office, but that's only because you're offering them free money. They don't want the lecture, you can keep that, and they'll just ignore everything you have to say anyway. Do you really think people who grew up without strong father figures are looking for a politician, or civil servant, or do-gooder to come in and fill the role for them? Lol. Hand them a check and leave them alone and they're quite happy. They'll call you a fool and an idiot for handing them that free money, and laugh at you behind your back while dreaming up ways to exploit your sympathy for even more free money. That's reality. You can burn your textbooks with your charts and figures showing how income gaps cause unrest, when you're at the bottom, you have no concept of how big the gap really is. That's upper-middle-class white kid do-gooder guilt being projected onto poor people.

I am a realist. I don't waste my time getting emotionally attached to solutions that won't have any real positive impact. Something like Feinstein's gun control legislation won't do anything to change our society, so why advocate it? Why advocate for anything that is pointless and emotion based? Show me numbers saying the piece of legislation will have a real impact and maybe I'd support it, but you have to account for the millions of people who have had their rights infringed upon to achieve that impact as well.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2013-01-28 06:45:54
Macbeth
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You are such an ugly person to think money makes you better than someone else.
2013-01-28 07:14:23
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5629|Sydney
I love how he makes the broadest stereotype imaginable around socioeconomic backgrounds and then starts the very next paragraph stating he's a realist.

Troll level: elite.

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