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ROGUEDD wrote:

Holy shit, this is an arguement about why Americans trace their heritage.

no, it is not. this is... ummm... let's call it a discussion about why so many americans feel the need to bring that shit up all the time. why that and not their baseball card collections for example. because, you know, both are equally meaningless.

Shahter wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:

Holy shit, this is an arguement about why Americans trace their heritage.

no, it is not. this is... ummm... let's call it a discussion about why so many americans feel the need to bring that shit up all the time. why that and not their baseball card collections for example. because, you know, both are equally meaningless.

you don't comprehend a hobby like baseball collecting?  You vapid vapid man!

fucking americans dude i cant believe them

I'm a direct descendant of Charlemagne.

AussieReaper wrote:

I'm a direct descendant of Charlemagne.

i'm a direct descendant of the first ever man.

i wonder how many americans trace their 'history' hipsterism back to a canyon in ethiopia? does it have the same glamour as as pogrom'd european jew village?

For all the time he spends calling us cultureless assholes, you'd think he'd find it nice that some Americans even bother to keep track of their heritage.

this, i do not get. "heritage"? how is a village on a continent you left 250 years ago 'heritage'? we have a coat of arms because my family have pretty much all settled in the same square 25 miles of the royal shires since the two branches first married as english. there's a direct and tangible line of history there. what use is the imaginary hologram of a village you've never even stepped foot in, when you live in new york? as jay said, it's a purely fictive device. it lets you vicariously imagine a fantasy-version of history, so you feel arbitrarily 'yoked' somewhere, to some supposed 'thing' that, actually, doesn't even ontologically exist anymore. your 'history' is a dreamscape. the house i live in is as old as jay's grandfather's immigration documents. i don't need to fap-fantasize over 'history'; europe is historical.

it's just two completely different attitudes to 'the old' and 'roots', i guess. here we're kinda immersed in them. you can't go to a town or a city without history. the two towns where i've grown up both date back to roman times -  one a fort, one a bath spa. there are still roman ruins. history happens here, we don't compare 'heritage baseball cards' on the internet (though i realise for the sake of this explication that i am partaking in it, to some extent, but that's neither here nor there...) i guess in a way it seems like you keep your heritage as a false idol. something nearer to a fantasy-construction than an actual history. imagining "pre-industrial europe with quaint little villages" isn't quite the whole picture. it's simplistic and condescending - and thus appears to a european not as an american taking a "keen interest" in "culture and history", but instead, yeah, another american turning hundreds of years of history into a fashion accessory; something superficial. like ken said, in the most extreme and blind example, something for guido kids in NJ to use to make out they're straight off a sicilian olive grove.

Last edited by aynrandroolz (2013-01-23 02:16:21)

I have to totally agree with Uzi here.

One of the most ridiculous examples:
During George W. Bush's presidency, it was spread around that he is related to Pocahontas.
http://landing.ancestry.com/jamestown

oh, yeah, of course! no wonder those 150-200 year old relatives seem like history! to most americans the world is only 6,000 years old

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aynrandroolz wrote:

it's just two completely different attitudes to 'the old' and 'roots', i guess. here we're kinda immersed in them. you can't go to a town or a city without history. the two towns where i've grown up both date back to roman times -  one a fort, one a bath spa. there are still roman ruins. history happens here, we don't compare 'heritage baseball cards' on the internet (though i realise for the sake of this explication that i am partaking in it, to some extent, but that's neither here nor there...) i guess in a way it seems like you keep your heritage as a false idol. something nearer to a fantasy-construction than an actual history. imagining "pre-industrial europe with quaint little villages" isn't quite the whole picture. it's simplistic and condescending - and thus appears to a european not as an american taking a "keen interest" in "culture and history", but instead, yeah, another american turning hundreds of years of history into a fashion accessory; something superficial. like ken said, in the most extreme and blind example, something for guido kids in NJ to use to make out they're straight off a sicilian olive grove.

Not a "false idol" at all.  Again, the vast majority of people in this country have little or no connection to families past.  The closest thing we have to European style history are those groups which track their history back to the revolution -- Sons and Daughters of the American Revolution.  But the vast majority of us come from immigrants.  So ya, it's pretty cool after growing up in a vacuum to learn where you ancestors came from -- the fact that they bothered to keep track of it when they uprooted and changed their families lives forever.  Holding it up as a "false idol" depends on the individual, I guess. 

Just last year a couple of months before my great aunt died she told me about how in every generation my family had lutheran ministers and she even bothered to track down the town they come from in Romania.  This was the first we had even heard about this, there are no family heirlooms to pass down besides shit that your gramps stole from the Germans or some other stuff.  So yeah, it has everything to do with having a keen interest in culture and history.  From the sound of it you'd prefer us to just be iconoclasts, let's just live even further in a historical vacuum and not even bother to even KNOW where our families came from.

Last edited by Spearhead (2013-01-23 18:35:03)

I remember seeing that. Think Obama had some relations brought up too. No one really cared.

Jay wrote:

Wasn't Obama related to Cheney or something?

I think Cheney's wife as I recall.