Spark
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meanwhile, in ukraine

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2012/12/158267835.jpg

The Wall Street Journal’s Tom Gara calls this scene “maybe the most vigorous punch to the groin ever caught on camera.” Gara tweets, “Look at that picture closely: perfect technique, full extension, putting his back into it, connects at the apex of the punch for max force. He’s punching that guy in the groin so hard that he took his tie off beforehand. For aerodynamics.”
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews … out-brawl/

Last edited by Spark (2012-12-13 05:41:56)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Hurricane2k9
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Dilbert_X wrote:

I imagine it varies state by state and university by university, but if they had the right why didn't they just say so at the start?
No need to threaten him with being thrown out of college or push him around.
that generally is the punishment though. It's kinda wild, it's better to be caught with alcohol when underage by city/county police off-campus than to be caught with it in your dorms. In all but the shittiest states, the punishment would probably be a fine. In most universities, if you live on-campus, there's a decent chance you'll get kicked out of housing. Even more so if you have marijuana.
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Hurricane2k9
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Scumbag DOJ: Up to 80 years in prison for a pot farmer, nothing but a Senate hearing for HSBC's laundering of cartel money. The world amazes me sometimes.

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Macbeth
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Not responding you you Hurri. Was going to post this anyway
President Barack Obama says he wants to treat the nation's drug problem as a public health issue as well as a law enforcement one. So he has said nonviolent drug offenders should be given a chance at rehabilitation over jail.

Along those lines, the administration has supported drug courts, which allow low-level drug offenders to have their charges dropped if they successfully complete a court-monitored treatment program. We rated Obama's promise to enhance drug courts as a Compromise, because while federal funding has increased and the number of drug courts has grown by about 400 during his term to more than 2,700, the system has not expanded into the federal courts system as Obama pledged.

"These courts are a perfect example of how we're working to shift our emphasis to treat the nation's drug problem as a public health issue, not just a criminal justice issue,” Rafael Lemaitre, spokesman for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, said in an email.  "(The National Association of Drug Court Professionals) estimates that we send roughly 120,000 people into treatment instead of prison each year – and that number will continue to rise as more courts open.”

Lemaitre also pointed to other progress on emphasizing rehabilitation for drug offenders:

• Last fiscal year, the Obama administration spent $10.4 billion on drug prevention and treatment programs compared with $9.2 billion on domestic drug enforcement.

Obama signed the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010 into law that dramatically reduced a 100-to-1 sentencing disparity between powder and crack cocaine, which disproportionately affected minorities. His administration also advocated for, and the U.S. Sentencing Commission approved, the retroactive application of these sentencing guidelines which became effective last year.

• The administration has worked to clarify rules regarding the eligibility of housing authorities to allow ex-offenders access to public housing, excluding individuals convicted of manufacturing methamphetamine in public housing and registered sex offenders.

• Attorney General Eric Holder has urged state officials to review the legal collateral consequences of state laws that hinder ex-offenders' successful reentry into society.

• The Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in November that for the third straight year the nation's prison and jail population decreased.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … -to-rehab/

WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5568|London, England
Drug courts are absurd. The costs you end up bearing with probation checkins, drug tests, monitoring etc, and if you fail out of the program you end up with a harsher sentence than you would've initially. The failure rate is absurd. Just another bullshit bandaid that made the problem worse.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Macbeth
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Using retrospective data, researchers in several studies found that drug courts reduced recidivism among program participants in contrast to comparable probationers. For example, one study found that within a two-year follow-up period, the felony re-arrest rate decreased from 40 percent before the drug court to 12 percent after the drug court started in one county, and the felony re-arrest rate decreased from 50 percent to 35 percent in another county. [1]

In an unprecedented longitudinal study that accumulated recidivism and cost analyses of drug court cohorts over 10 years, NIJ researchers found that drug courts may lower recidivism rates (re-arrests) and significantly lower costs. They used data from a primarily pre-plea adult drug court in Portland, Oregon, to track 6,500 offenders who participated in the Multnomah County Drug Court between 1991 and 2001. Re-arrests were lower five years or more later compared to re-arrests for similar drug offenders within the same county.

The researchers also found, however, that the drug courts' impact on recidivism varied by year as a result of changes in programming and judge assignments over time. Reductions in recidivism ranged from 17 to 26 percent.

Lower costs. Compared to traditional criminal justice system processing, treatment and other investment costs averaged $1,392 lower per drug court participant. Reduced recidivism and other long-term program outcomes resulted in public savings of $6,744 on average per participant (or $12,218 if victimization costs are included).[2]
http://www.nij.gov/topics/courts/drug-courts/work.htm

Wrong on all counts. At least according to the U.S. government.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Macbeth
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Mr. Libertarian reads Huffingtonpost or did you just google 'drug courts bad'? Did you even read the article by any chance? Should I go argue with
Margaret Dooley-Sammuli?

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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5568|London, England

Macbeth wrote:

Mr. Libertarian reads Huffingtonpost or did you just google 'drug courts bad'? Did you even read the article by any chance? Should I go argue with
Margaret Dooley-Sammuli?
It clearly sums up why drug courts are bad, which backs up my previous post. Better a 3rd party link than one from the government about a government program, no? Your argument sucked and you didn't know what you were posting. Just accept it and move on.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Macbeth
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So you didn't read your own source did you?
The real problem with drug courts, however, is that they attempt to address drug use within a drug war framework. That is, drug courts attempt to treat drug use as a health issue, but they cannot because they are required to enforce laws criminalizing drug use -- and therefore punishment trumps treatment every time. As a result, drug courts have actually made the criminal justice system more punitive toward addiction -- not less.

For example, people who struggle the most with a drug problem are more likely than those without a drug problem to be kicked out of a drug court and incarcerated. (And, yes, plenty of people who don't have a drug problem do end up in a drug court - many of them for a marijuana possession offense.) Although relapse is a common and predictable occurrence during treatment, drug courts often punish people who suffer a relapse by pulling them out of treatment and putting them in jail for several days or weeks. By contrast, in a medical setting, relapse calls for intensified treatment.

Anyone who has struggled, or seen a loved one struggle, with alcohol addiction knows that drug abuse is a difficult, personal, and complicated issue, not one that's going to be solved with a bumper sticker or simplistic solutions -- or with jail.

Millions of Americans are addicted to prescription drugs like pain killers, but no one thinks the solution is to lock them up. The solution should be the same for people addicted to similar drugs that just aren't made by a pharmaceutical company: treat the addiction.

To do this, drug policies need to be better aligned with evidence and with public health principles. We should reserve drug courts for cases involving offenses against person or property that are linked to a drug use disorder, while improving drug court practices and providing other options for people convicted of drug law violations. We should work toward removing criminal penalties for drug use to address the problem of mass drug arrests and incarceration. And we should bolster public health systems, including harm reduction and treatment programs, to more effectively and cost-effectively address problematic drug use.
So her entire argument against drug courts boils down to the fact that drug courts are still a court system instead of a purely rehabilitation system. Clearly my argument that drug courts are better than criminal courts is refuted!!!
Macbeth
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Jay wrote:

Your argument sucked and you didn't know what you were posting. Just accept it and move on.
Says the guy who posted a link to an article he didn't even read. Catch a bus retard.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
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Dude, have you ever been to court before? Basically unless you kill someone or there was violence of some sort involved they're going to knock whatever you did down to a misdemeanor and slap you with a fine. These people are scared into going into the drug court system because they are told that if they go into court they will face jail time. That isn't the case 99% of the time. You go to court, you cop a plea, you walk out a few hundreds dollars poorer.

They are funneling these people into a drug court system where they are set up to fail from the get-go. Remember, these are generally poor people, so finding a way to get out of work for a ride across town to their probation officer, or to have a urine test, or to even pay the fees involved is a serious hardship. If they miss a payment they get tossed out of the program and sent to jail. Remember, if they had just gone to court in the first place they would've just faced a fine with no jail time. By going to drug court they end up paying more in fees than they would in fines, and ultimately, many of them end up serving time in jail that they wouldn't have served in the first place. That is why the system is terrible. Obama endorsing them just makes him look like a clueless asshat. But hey, if you don't know anything about the justice system, drug courts sound way awesomer than having to go to real court.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Macbeth
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Dude, have you ever been to court before? Basically unless you kill someone or there was violence of some sort involved they're going to knock whatever you did down to a misdemeanor and slap you with a fine.
...
That isn't the case 99% of the time. You go to court, you cop a plea, you walk out a few hundreds dollars poorer.
...
Remember, if they had just gone to court in the first place they would've just faced a fine with no jail time.
You are just being a contrarian because I make fun of you. You know this shit isn't true.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=145678
KEN-JENNINGS
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Jay, I've been to court a bunch of times (something I'm not happy to admit, but it's the truth), and it is really up in the air.  I've had charges dismissed, I've had the city attorney recommending the harshest sentence possible for misdemeanors, and everything in between.  Surprise surprise, you're making a general statement based on your own minimal experience and saying that's the standard.  Surprise surprise, that's an ignorant statement to make.

As someone who was been to court for non-violent drug offenses on many occasions (again, shame on me), I can say I've received various punishments for the same infractions.  I do not think drug-related offenses should be prosecuted as criminal cases per se.  I also think there should be special circumstances related to violent crimes being committed by offenders while high on drugs.  Crimes of passion are often prosecuted under special circumstances.  People who otherwise wouldn't commit crimes do so on drugs.  How are those two markedly different.
13urnzz
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wow, trending news has faux news looking into alternative advertising;

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/21025/ss/whitmerica.PNG

at this rate, i can eat mexican food instead of cat food when i retire.
Macbeth
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Headline is very misleading. Whites will still make up the majority for a long past 2043. You will just have a lot more who happen to have Garcia for a last name.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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yes, misleading in the sense of being... completely correct

https://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/DkX_3h68pZzSFGQDF8bDlQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/thelookout/all_races.png
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5911|College Park, MD

Macbeth wrote:

Not responding you you Hurri. Was going to post this anyway
President Barack Obama says he wants to treat the nation's drug problem as a public health issue as well as a law enforcement one. So he has said nonviolent drug offenders should be given a chance at rehabilitation over jail.

Along those lines, the administration has supported drug courts, which allow low-level drug offenders to have their charges dropped if they successfully complete a court-monitored treatment program. We rated Obama's promise to enhance drug courts as a Compromise, because while federal funding has increased and the number of drug courts has grown by about 400 during his term to more than 2,700, the system has not expanded into the federal courts system as Obama pledged.

"These courts are a perfect example of how we're working to shift our emphasis to treat the nation's drug problem as a public health issue, not just a criminal justice issue,” Rafael Lemaitre, spokesman for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, said in an email.  "(The National Association of Drug Court Professionals) estimates that we send roughly 120,000 people into treatment instead of prison each year – and that number will continue to rise as more courts open.”

Lemaitre also pointed to other progress on emphasizing rehabilitation for drug offenders:

• Last fiscal year, the Obama administration spent $10.4 billion on drug prevention and treatment programs compared with $9.2 billion on domestic drug enforcement.

Obama signed the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010 into law that dramatically reduced a 100-to-1 sentencing disparity between powder and crack cocaine, which disproportionately affected minorities. His administration also advocated for, and the U.S. Sentencing Commission approved, the retroactive application of these sentencing guidelines which became effective last year.

• The administration has worked to clarify rules regarding the eligibility of housing authorities to allow ex-offenders access to public housing, excluding individuals convicted of manufacturing methamphetamine in public housing and registered sex offenders.

• Attorney General Eric Holder has urged state officials to review the legal collateral consequences of state laws that hinder ex-offenders' successful reentry into society.

• The Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in November that for the third straight year the nation's prison and jail population decreased.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … -to-rehab/

WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.
Non-violent drug offenders should only get rehab, and only if they actually have a fuckin' problem.
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Macbeth
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Spark wrote:

yes, misleading in the sense of being... completely correct

40-60% of Hispanics are white depending on what country you are in. Around 50% in the U.S. self identify as white. They look white. They think they are white. They take part in white culture. Look at Hurricane who happens to be from Argentina. Pretty much a white kid,

Since the lion share of growth in the population will be coming from Hispanics and at least 50% think they are white people, white people aren't getting knocked off of their pedestal anytime soon. You will just have a lot more whites who are Catholic and have last names like Garcia. 


But you won't understand the human side of this since you are on the other side of the world and statistics don't explain the nuances of things like race. If you want to argue this with me some more at least take the time to read up on Hispanics and U.S. census problems.

Last edited by Macbeth (2012-12-14 10:34:09)

Jay
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+2,006|5568|London, England
Never understood why the US Census tracks race to begin with. Pointless.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Macbeth
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Because French Universalism doesn't work and Brazil's policy of promoting everyone as mixed doesn't have the historical grounding in this country.

There are differences in race and people's experience's blah blah blah. Taking demographic information and shaping policy and other things around it is helpful. Something the French never learned.
13urnzz
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congrats Lil' Kim for being voted Time's Person of the Year
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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Looks like the leader of the Choom Gang won't go after recreational users. Still no word on retailers though:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/pre … MsYfbskm2A
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6884|Canberra, AUS

Jay wrote:

Never understood why the US Census tracks race to begin with. Pointless.
because it's an important demographic marker?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
AussieReaper
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Isn't the first term you think of when someone mentions demographic "race" ?
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