One of the first fucking questions on that test asks you how racist you are. What does that have to do with right/left? Political compass is fucking retarded.Jay wrote:
You think separating economic from social stances is retarded? Ok.Macbeth wrote:
Political compass is fucking retarded
No, a liberal can not support interventionism. People should be allowed to live their own lives, make their own choices, right up to the point that they infringe on others life and liberty. Banning smoking in restaurants and bars? Fine, the concentrated second hand smoke could have a negative impact on non-smokers health. Making life a living hell for smokers by driving up excise taxes, putting obnoxious labels on each pack, and everything else they do is an issue that has been taken up by people who call themselves liberal. Forcing people to buy organic foods rather than other foods by putting warning labels on things like genetically engineered food, also a liberal cause.Shocking wrote:
Only in extremes. A liberal can, at times, support interventionism. The economist supports open markets and freedom for business & individuals. In the euro debate, some of its columnists (charlemagne for one) obviously root for fiscal union. Noone is 100% one way or the other, argument can win over principles at times.Jay wrote:
Economic freedom is on the right.
Communism is the far left, progressivism is left of center.
Social interventionism is at the top.
Social liberalism is at the bottom.
Don't mistake liberalism for stances on issues taken. Interventionism is interventionism no matter if the the person pushing the agenda is taking his cues from the bible or from a group trying to ban smoking 'for the public good'. Progressivism and true social liberalism do not mix.
I honestly see no difference between self described social liberals and conservatives in the methods they use. The message comes from different places, but they both use the force of government to force others to conform to their lifestyle choices. True social liberalism means taking a live and let live approach, not using the government.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Also if you wrap your identity around a random Web 1.0 personality quiz then you need help.Macbeth wrote:
No, you fucking stupid bastard.Jay wrote:
You think separating economic from social stances is retarded? Ok.Macbeth wrote:
Political compass is fucking retarded
The political compass is retarded because of the questions it ask. Instead of concrete positional questions it ask you general feeling questions.My answer to this question is much more complex than Strongly Disagree, Disagree, Agree, and Strongly Agree. I can write a several paragraphs in response to this question.I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.
Secondly, the choices it boxes you into is also pretty dumb since your mood when taking the test affects how strongly you agree or disagree something. The four choices are essentially the same answers choices you find on FB poll and personality quizzes.An typical days events could make someone swing between the extremes with this question. My views are also too complex to box into those four small categories. Stupid, stupid shit.There are no savage and civilised peoples; there are only different cultures.
Don't let me stop you from posting the facebook personality quiz all over the place like it some profound shit you found. I don't ever want to stop you from looking like a dumbass.
Where did I reference the site? I know the questions are mostly ambiguous and crap. It doesn't take away from the fact that the compass itself is a useful tool to figure out where you stand politically. It's a helluva lot better and more accurate than the left-right dynamic that we've been fed our whole lives.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It should've asked you if you like ponies.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
One of the first fucking questions on that test asks you how racist you are. What does that have to do with right/left? Political compass is fucking retarded.Jay wrote:
You think separating economic from social stances is retarded? Ok.Macbeth wrote:
Political compass is fucking retarded
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I know the questions are mostly ambiguous and crap. It doesn't take away from the fact that the compass itself is a useful tool to figure out where you stand politically.
the questions are mostly ambiguous and crap...the compass itself is a useful tool to figure out where you stand politically.
ambiguous and crap...useful tool to figure out where you stand politically.
crap..useful tool
Jay wrote:
It should've asked you if you like ponies.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
One of the first fucking questions on that test asks you how racist you are. What does that have to do with right/left? Political compass is fucking retarded.Jay wrote:
You think separating economic from social stances is retarded? Ok.
Still an amusing test to take, but fuck if it doesn't call me MORE liberal every time I take it:
e: ~5 years ago:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Economic Left/Right: -0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.41
it asked me "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
i cant answer that with a agree or disagree lol
i cant answer that with a agree or disagree lol
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I just stuck in disagree for "not always, but usually not."Mutantbear wrote:
it asked me "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
i cant answer that with a agree or disagree lol
Child the compass itself is a useful tool. The entire world is not black and white, left and right. I know you hate economics because you don't understand it, but there is a world outside of the Republican and Democrat defined system.Macbeth wrote:
I know the questions are mostly ambiguous and crap. It doesn't take away from the fact that the compass itself is a useful tool to figure out where you stand politically.the questions are mostly ambiguous and crap...the compass itself is a useful tool to figure out where you stand politically.ambiguous and crap...useful tool to figure out where you stand politically.crap..useful tool
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
the world isnt black and white but the tool wants answers in black and white
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then why is the root of this U.S. presidential election all about economics?Jay wrote:
there is a world outside of the Republican and Democrat defined system.
It's really not. Romney is no different from Obama economically. It makes for fabulous talking points though.13urnzz wrote:
then why is the root of this U.S. presidential election all about economics?Jay wrote:
there is a world outside of the Republican and Democrat defined system.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Because only John G@lt PhD knows about economics. Jay is so smart I bet he can describe my economic views in in strongly agree, strongly disagree terms.Jay wrote:
I know you hate economics because you don't understand it
It has two shades of grey, but no 50%.Mutantbear wrote:
the world isnt black and white but the tool wants answers in black and white
oohh, i gotcha - obamaloney and romneyhood. and ryan as a vp pick has nothing to do with the budget he put forward in the houseJay wrote:
It's really not. Romney is no different from Obama economically. It makes for fabulous talking points though.13urnzz wrote:
then why is the root of this U.S. presidential election all about economics?Jay wrote:
there is a world outside of the Republican and Democrat defined system.
And you still ignore everything I said and focus only on what you want to believe. Stop being such an angry person Macbeth.Macbeth wrote:
Because only John G@lt PhD knows about economics. Jay is so smart I bet he can describe my economic views in in strongly agree, strongly disagree terms.Jay wrote:
I know you hate economics because you don't understand it
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
His budget was a joke.13urnzz wrote:
oohh, i gotcha - obamaloney and romneyhood. and ryan as a vp pick has nothing to do with the budget he put forward in the houseJay wrote:
It's really not. Romney is no different from Obama economically. It makes for fabulous talking points though.13urnzz wrote:
then why is the root of this U.S. presidential election all about economics?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
yeah! when you agree with Jay you'll be OKJay wrote:
Stop being such an angry person Macbeth.
Drunk again Steve?13urnzz wrote:
yeah! when you agree with Jay you'll be OKJay wrote:
Stop being such an angry person Macbeth.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
It has two shades of grey, but no 50%.Mutantbear wrote:
the world isnt black and white but the tool wants answers in black and white
checkmate
no, why do you ask? will you accuse me of being angry too?Jay wrote:
Drunk again Steve?13urnzz wrote:
yeah! when you agree with Jay you'll be OKJay wrote:
Stop being such an angry person Macbeth.
A lot of die-hard Republicans I talk to now end each political discussion with "all I care about is that health care gets overturned" while dodging all the other issues with Romney and his party's politics.
Then why are you bitching about Obama and hoping Romney gets elected?Jay wrote:
It's really not. Romney is no different from Obama economically. It makes for fabulous talking points though.
the rominee dodges them too - if i were running the republican convention, i wouldn't invite himunnamednewbie13 wrote:
while dodging all the other issues with Romney and his party's politics.