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2012-04-12 06:02:21

#5676

rdx-fx: ...; +955|7042

NCLB is the epitome of lowered standards, the "everyone gets a gold medal for showing up, so nobody's self esteem is hurt", failure of the US education system.

It really should be renamed "every child held back".

Teachers teach a minimum syllabus, geared only towards the goal of x% of students pass a standardized test.
So, the teacher has to spoon feed the material to the spastic ADHD kids, while the truly bright kids rot in the corner.
Otherwise, if Beavis & Butthead don't pass, the school's numbers fall below passing, funding is lost, hands are wrung, teeth are gashed, etc etc

2012-04-12 07:12:05

#5677

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|7126|Canberra, AUS

that was the impression i got too. god i despise over-standardised cirriculum.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2012-04-12 08:00:46

#5678

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|6037

You guys have a rose tinted view of the past. Schools were never amazing here. Jay and rdx haven't been in public school since before the bill was passed. Hardly expert opinion or experience.

The testing side of NCLB is where the bills problems are. But the standardized test requirements isn't the whole bill. The act allocated extra funding to schools across the country. Department of education's funding increased 60% in 2 years of NCLB. It put in place incentives to get better qualified people into teaching. Etc.

It is more complicated than rdx and Jay make it seem.

2012-04-12 08:04:50

#5679

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6922

people will always piss and moan about how education is getting easier. after all, how can any young punks be possibly doing as well as them? i know you're talking about something more specific and nuanced with the NCLB stuff, but the general pissy dissatisfaction is patent older-generation-on-the-new stuff.

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2012-04-12 08:07:54

#5680

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5710|foggy bottom

Class of 2000 west side

Tu Stultus Es

2012-04-12 08:13:26

#5681

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|7144

I completed 5th grade in 2000. It was really easy.

x

2012-04-12 08:14:12

#5682

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5710|foggy bottom

i dropped out of high school and got my ged in 2000. i was a junior

Tu Stultus Es

2012-04-12 10:03:30

#5683

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7167

eleven bravo wrote:
i dropped out of high school and got my ged in 2000. i was a junior

gangstar
education
diploma

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2012-04-12 11:39:34

#5684

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|6153|College Park, MD

Private school

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2012-04-12 12:51:25

#5685

rdx-fx: ...; +955|7042

Macbeth wrote:
You guys have a rose tinted view of the past. Schools were never amazing here. Jay and rdx haven't been in public school since before the bill was passed. Hardly expert opinion or experience.

It is more complicated than rdx and Jay make it seem.

Step-daughter is graduating HS this year.

Have had ringside seats for the circus that is NCLB.

AP classes, Honors classes, and college credit classes in HS - all cut to nothing.

Languages: I had the option of German 1-4, French, Spanish, or Russian.
Step daughter's schools only had Spanish.

Math: I took calculus in HS, step daughter's schools don't even offer per-calculus.

Textbooks? Nope, most of her classes don't even issue textbooks. Just half-assed lecture notes.
For a couple of her classes, she's had to borrow some of my old HS or college textbooks to figure out what the school was trying to teach.

The textbooks they do have, are poorly worded, hastily written, full of typos and conjecture, and even at that the teachers don't really use the text.

Would you like to talk out your ass some more, Macbeth?

2012-04-12 12:53:49

#5686

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5809|London, England

I'd say you need to move out of the poor neighborhood you call home

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-04-12 13:15:56

#5687

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|6037

Yeah I think that speaks more about where you live rather than NCLB. Hell, nothing you typed had anything to do with NCLB changing teaching plans like you initialy complained about.

2012-04-12 13:27:05

#5688

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6922

Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Private school

public school

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2012-04-12 13:49:05

#5689

rdx-fx: ...; +955|7042

Jay wrote:
I'd say you need to move out of the poor neighborhood you call home

But I don't want to give up my American citizenship...

Isn't just one area, it's a few schools in 4 different states.

2012-04-12 13:56:27

#5690

rdx-fx: ...; +955|7042

Macbeth wrote:
Yeah I think that speaks more about where you live rather than NCLB. Hell, nothing you typed had anything to do with NCLB changing teaching plans like you initialy complained about.

Really?

The whole focus of high school has changed.
No AP, no honors classes, and most classes other than those essential to the core NCLB curriculum are gone.
Then the classes that are left, they don't use proper texts, just crib notes from the standard tests.

Would you like me to phrase the same thing a third or fourth way?

They have gutted the education system, replaced it with a lowest common denominator bureaucratic assembly line, and have abandoned the best & brightest (honors students) to spend time on the paste eaters.

2012-04-12 14:01:57

#5691

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5809|London, England

The education my youngest brother is receiving is not any different from what my 28 year old brother experienced in the same high school. You just live in a shitty failing district.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-04-12 14:02:58

#5692

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|6037

What the hell are you smoking? Schools still provide AP, honor, and college prep classes.

Move out of the south.

2012-04-12 14:47:52

#5693

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7183|St. Andrews / Oslo

Uzique wrote:
Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Private school
public school

state school

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2012-04-12 15:58:13

#5694

rdx-fx: ...; +955|7042

Macbeth wrote:
Move out of the south.

TIL living in a state bordering Canada is considered "the south".
Let me guess, public school geography class, Macbeth?

2012-04-12 16:29:07

#5695

pirana6: Go Cougs!; +698|6742|Washington St.

In other news

North Korea launched a rocket an hour ago. Headed for "space" carrying a "satellite". Which is code for, headed for "other countries" carrying a "pretend nuclear bomb"

Their first time doing so since 2009. Before that it was 1998.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … lenews_wsj

2012-04-12 16:49:26

#5696

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6922

Jenspm wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Private school
public school
state school

peasant

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2012-04-12 17:14:50

#5697

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|6037

rdx-fx wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Move out of the south.
TIL living in a state bordering Canada is considered "the south".
Let me guess, public school geography class, Macbeth?

Meh I thought you lived in the south. Your state still sucks in education department soo

2012-04-12 19:26:07

#5698

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6604|what

pirana6 wrote:
In other news

North Korea launched a rocket an hour ago. Headed for "space" carrying a "satellite". Which is code for, headed for "other countries" carrying a "pretend nuclear bomb"

Their first time doing so since 2009. Before that it was 1998.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … lenews_wsj

They have a better space program than NASA right now.

2012-04-12 19:44:08

#5699

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6922

it crashed and broke up into the sea. 'better'.

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2012-04-12 19:45:06

#5700

pirana6: Go Cougs!; +698|6742|Washington St.

they did that on purpose. they always do. they weren't aiming for outer space.

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