Peanut brittle?eleven bravo wrote:
Andrew "Peanut Brittle" Breitbart is dead. couldnt have happened to a nicer person
Maybe Olbermann...eleven bravo wrote:
Andrew "Peanut Brittle" Breitbart is dead. couldnt have happened to a nicer person
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Breitbart for Olbermann is a fair trade.
Keeping Breitbart, you mean?Macbeth wrote:
Breitbart for Olbermann is a fair trade.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
No, no. May the lord take them both.
eleven bravo wrote:
Doctor Strangelove wrote:
lol is right.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
i wouldnt put breitbart on the same level olbermann. hannity would be though
Tu Stultus Es
Supply and demand.Reciprocity wrote:
yeah, because that's how the global oil market works.13rin wrote:
No. We've more than enough oil. Fuck the middle east and south america.Dilbert_X wrote:
Because the faster you burn that stuff up the longer it'll be cheap?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
13rin wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
Doctor Strangelove wrote:
lol is right.
Tu Stultus Es
Why because they are both are/were conservative?eleven bravo wrote:
i wouldnt put breitbart on the same level olbermann. hannity would be though
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
olbermann was a conservative?
Tu Stultus Es
nah... hannity & Breitbart.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
breitbart might have been an asshole but im sure some nice things could be said about him. not hannity
Tu Stultus Es
hannity is an arrogant prick.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Halfway there.Macbeth wrote:
No, no. May the lord take them both.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Brin may actually be right on the oil. The cost of shale oil extraction - which North America has gargantuan amounts of - has fallen off a cliff in the last few years. The concept of peak oil may become irrelevant in the forseeable future.
However, doing it on land, in water catchments and especially near people raises all sort of issues wrt the method of extraction - ie. hydrofracking. Still not entirely convinced by the industry claims that they follow due process in ensuring that the obscenely toxic hydrofracking chemicals don't A. damage the geological strata which holds the water or B. leak into the water table. Either of which would ruin absolutely everyone's day.
However, doing it on land, in water catchments and especially near people raises all sort of issues wrt the method of extraction - ie. hydrofracking. Still not entirely convinced by the industry claims that they follow due process in ensuring that the obscenely toxic hydrofracking chemicals don't A. damage the geological strata which holds the water or B. leak into the water table. Either of which would ruin absolutely everyone's day.
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The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Out of curiousity, how big is the whole gas/oil extraction from geological strata thing over there? It's a huuuuuuuuuge issue here - http://www.gasland.com.au/
and all kinds of stuff. Massive, massive issue.
and all kinds of stuff. Massive, massive issue.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Because of all the publicity, I'd think the companies doing the extraction are more sensitive to things like leaks into the water table. One bad story and the greenies would hound them all the way to the Supreme Court. There's a lot of money to be made, which means there's a lot of reasons to mitigate risk.Spark wrote:
Brin may actually be right on the oil. The cost of shale oil extraction - which North America has gargantuan amounts of - has fallen off a cliff in the last few years. The concept of peak oil may become irrelevant in the forseeable future.
However, doing it on land, in water catchments and especially near people raises all sort of issues wrt the method of extraction - ie. hydrofracking. Still not entirely convinced by the industry claims that they follow due process in ensuring that the obscenely toxic hydrofracking chemicals don't A. damage the geological strata which holds the water or B. leak into the water table. Either of which would ruin absolutely everyone's day.
An accident will happen eventually, it's inevitable, but I doubt it will be because of lack of concern on the part of the oil companies. They simply have too much to lose.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
At first, the enviros liked fracking because they saw natural gas as a superior alternative to coal and oil. Now they've turned against it because they realize that hundreds of years worth of cheap natural gas makes solar and wind completely irrelevant. They've conducted dozens of studies on the safety of fracking, and have found no issues.Spark wrote:
Out of curiousity, how big is the whole gas/oil extraction from geological strata thing over there? It's a huuuuuuuuuge issue here - http://www.gasland.com.au/
and all kinds of stuff. Massive, massive issue.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
(Basing this all off of stuff I learned a couple of years ago, but I think it still holds true...)Spark wrote:
Out of curiousity, how big is the whole gas/oil extraction from geological strata thing over there? It's a huuuuuuuuuge issue here - http://www.gasland.com.au/
and all kinds of stuff. Massive, massive issue.
It is/has been growing rapidly. The Dakotas are sitting on a wealth of oil shale deposits, which extend up into Canada IIRC. And with gas prices roughly at $3 and above for the foreseeable future, and the cost of fracking decreasing, it's a pretty attractive option in a lot of peoples' eyes...the primary negative that was cited in years past was the high cost of obtaining the oil, but that's been increasingly offset by the above.
I'm surprised there isn't more "Frack baby, frack" sentiment.
The Dakotas aren't exactly a population hub of the midwest, so despite the potential damage to the environment, there probably won't be too much outcry unless/until it becomes really bad. Like Ohio River on fire bad.
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There have been more than a few issues down here.Jay wrote:
At first, the enviros liked fracking because they saw natural gas as a superior alternative to coal and oil. Now they've turned against it because they realize that hundreds of years worth of cheap natural gas makes solar and wind completely irrelevant. They've conducted dozens of studies on the safety of fracking, and have found no issues.Spark wrote:
Out of curiousity, how big is the whole gas/oil extraction from geological strata thing over there? It's a huuuuuuuuuge issue here - http://www.gasland.com.au/
and all kinds of stuff. Massive, massive issue.
Again, it's something I'd prefer extra diligence was taken because once you fuck up the water table, you can't do anything about it and everyone's life gets a bit miserable. Especially relevant here given the paucity and erratic nature of Australian rainfall patterns.
The main opposition here hasn't come from environmentalists - although they're none too impressed - it's come from farmers. Perhaps an element of NIMBYism there, but it is quite a big issue here.
Other than that, cool. I like natural gas.
Last edited by Spark (2012-03-01 22:21:50)
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
yeah, we're currently producing so much refined petroleum product that we're a net petroleum energy exporter while demand is at a 15 year low, but it's all just simple supply and demand.13rin wrote:
Supply and demand.Reciprocity wrote:
yeah, because that's how the global oil market works.13rin wrote:
No. We've more than enough oil. Fuck the middle east and south america.
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You're sure its not that the oil companies are injecting long-lived carcinogens into aquifers?Jay wrote:
At first, the enviros liked fracking because they saw natural gas as a superior alternative to coal and oil. Now they've turned against it because they realize that hundreds of years worth of cheap natural gas makes solar and wind completely irrelevant. They've conducted dozens of studies on the safety of fracking, and have found no issues.
Most people I speak to are fairly rational and believe burning gas instead of oil makes sense, but not if we're permanently poisoning our agricultural land and water supply.
Most people understand there's a carbon cost to renewable energy too, they aren't all bobble-hatted nutballs.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Yeah, we're buying it from other people. Thanks for proving my first statement.Reciprocity wrote:
yeah, we're currently producing so much refined petroleum product that we're a net petroleum energy exporter while demand is at a 15 year low, but it's all just simple supply and demand.13rin wrote:
Supply and demand.Reciprocity wrote:
yeah, because that's how the global oil market works.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Most people also aren't Greenpeace members, however.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're sure its not that the oil companies are injecting long-lived carcinogens into aquifers?Jay wrote:
At first, the enviros liked fracking because they saw natural gas as a superior alternative to coal and oil. Now they've turned against it because they realize that hundreds of years worth of cheap natural gas makes solar and wind completely irrelevant. They've conducted dozens of studies on the safety of fracking, and have found no issues.
Most people I speak to are fairly rational and believe burning gas instead of oil makes sense, but not if we're permanently poisoning our agricultural land and water supply.
Most people understand there's a carbon cost to renewable energy too, they aren't all bobble-hatted nutballs.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman