That is the problem.eleven bravo wrote:
some prosecutors would push for a dismissal more than the defense would.
You're just not getting it.FEOS wrote:
Public servants are held to a higher standard, true. Maybe that's why there are such stringent rules governing their workplace.
I get it just fine. You've shown your abysmal lack of understanding thus far. I recommend you just move on.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're just not getting it.FEOS wrote:
Public servants are held to a higher standard, true. Maybe that's why there are such stringent rules governing their workplace.
That's a load of shit. You might as well say that all judges are biased since they were once practicing attorneys.AussieReaper wrote:
Problem is the prosecuting officer, is an officer.Dilbert_X wrote:
I blame the whole military justice system TBH.eleven bravo wrote:
blame the prosecuting officer. a plea deal is a plea deal is a plea deal.
You aren't going to have justice when the prosecution is part of the system they are investigating. Hence friend benefits plea deals and lost paperwork. Case dismissed.
Care to explain why the killings of 24 unarmed civilians resulted in six dropped charges, one acquittal and a possibile three months sentence for the guy who admitted dereliction of duty in a plea deal?Jay wrote:
That's a load of shit. You might as well say that all judges are biased since they were once practicing attorneys.AussieReaper wrote:
Problem is the prosecuting officer, is an officer.Dilbert_X wrote:
I blame the whole military justice system TBH.
You aren't going to have justice when the prosecution is part of the system they are investigating. Hence friend benefits plea deals and lost paperwork. Case dismissed.
The military justice system is normally criticized for being too harsh and ignoring the rights enshrined in the Constitution. Illegal search and seizure? Lol. If you get off with anything than a max sentence it's because the case against you is incredibly weak.
Please stop talking out of your ass on every topic.
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You're failing to absorb what I've said, suggest you forget it.FEOS wrote:
I get it just fine. You've shown your abysmal lack of understanding thus far. I recommend you just move on.
When it comes to crimes against non-Americans the US military justice system is invariably criticised for being incredibly lenient.Jay wrote:
The military justice system is normally criticized for being too harsh and ignoring the rights enshrined in the Constitution. Illegal search and seizure? Lol. If you get off with anything than a max sentence it's because the case against you is incredibly weak.
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I fully absorbed what you said. It was wrong. Fairly straightforward.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're failing to absorb what I've said, suggest you forget it.FEOS wrote:
I get it just fine. You've shown your abysmal lack of understanding thus far. I recommend you just move on.
The part about European civil servants being bound by moral codes, which apparently don't apply to US civil servants?FEOS wrote:
I fully absorbed what you said. It was wrong. Fairly straightforward.
Have you personally read through all the evidence? Did you lead the investigation? Why would a prosecutor offer a plea if he had a strong case? I wonder...AussieReaper wrote:
Care to explain why the killings of 24 unarmed civilians resulted in six dropped charges, one acquittal and a possibile three months sentence for the guy who admitted dereliction of duty in a plea deal?Jay wrote:
That's a load of shit. You might as well say that all judges are biased since they were once practicing attorneys.AussieReaper wrote:
Problem is the prosecuting officer, is an officer.
You aren't going to have justice when the prosecution is part of the system they are investigating. Hence friend benefits plea deals and lost paperwork. Case dismissed.
The military justice system is normally criticized for being too harsh and ignoring the rights enshrined in the Constitution. Illegal search and seizure? Lol. If you get off with anything than a max sentence it's because the case against you is incredibly weak.
Please stop talking out of your ass on every topic.
Totally a too harsh sentence that.
Any idea why these soldiers were so harshly punished?
As I said - You aren't going to have justice when the prosecution is part of the system they are investigating.Jay wrote:
Have you personally read through all the evidence? Did you lead the investigation? Why would a prosecutor offer a plea if he had a strong case? I wonder...
No, being part of the system is irrelevant. You don't have any idea how silo'd the military is. JAG officers aren't chumming it up with infantry officers on the weekends. Doesn't happen. Yes, pressure can come down from above to make a case go away, but the same thing happens in civilian courts. Most of the time, military courts take sadistic pleasure in prosecuting cases like this. If they didn't rise to it this time then the case must've been incredibly weak. Rather difficult to convict people based on a cold crime scene in a war zone. Life isn't CSI.AussieReaper wrote:
As I said - You aren't going to have justice when the prosecution is part of the system they are investigating.Jay wrote:
Have you personally read through all the evidence? Did you lead the investigation? Why would a prosecutor offer a plea if he had a strong case? I wonder...
All you can offer is well you haven't seen the evidence.
I'd argue that killing of civilians warrents more than a dereliction of duty charge.
The part where you advocate taking away their First Amendment rights after they've finished their service.Dilbert_X wrote:
The part about European civil servants being bound by moral codes, which apparently don't apply to US civil servants?FEOS wrote:
I fully absorbed what you said. It was wrong. Fairly straightforward.
Which part of that was wrong?
no one hears about it because no one really cares about what europe does. hell no one can even name the president of the EU, or even know theres such a position.Dilbert_X wrote:
While there is a moral code for civil servants in Europe, it seems there isn't one in the US - the lack of which you're defending.
That was my point.
That a pretty poor household.Jay wrote:
And your point is invalid.Dilbert_X wrote:
While there is a moral code for civil servants in Europe, it seems there isn't one in the US - the lack of which you're defending.
That was my point.
a lot of people care about what europe doesCybargs wrote:
no one hears about it because no one really cares about what europe does. hell no one can even name the president of the EU, or even know theres such a position.Dilbert_X wrote:
While there is a moral code for civil servants in Europe, it seems there isn't one in the US - the lack of which you're defending.
That was my point.
They'll bitch and moan, but they'll deal with it.Dilbert_X wrote:
People are not going to like it when the govt stops spending.
maybe spend your time running over people, because shit you have no idea how the EZ worksCybargs wrote:
no one hears about it because no one really cares about what europe does. hell no one can even name the president of the EU, or even know theres such a position.Dilbert_X wrote:
While there is a moral code for civil servants in Europe, it seems there isn't one in the US - the lack of which you're defending.
That was my point.
