It always has been a tool for protecting the economic interest of it's citizens (which common defense falls under). The Tripolitan War was a full declared war to protect U.S. shipping. It wasn't a war for defense it was a war to protect economic interest. The war was carried out by the people who wrote the Constitution.Jay wrote:
It doesn't matter. The United States military is not a tool to be used by business to further their interests. The purpose of the military is spelled out right there in the preamble of the Constitution: "provide for the common defence" does not mean maintaining a multi-million man army.
Without Western money China would still be a dirt poor country. Same with India and many other developing countries. It's an economic fact that their foundations were built with Western money.Dilbert_X wrote:
You think the world economy depends on US overseas investment? You're wrong.Macbeth wrote:
Investing is risky. Investing in an unstable market is risky. Investing in overseas markets is also risky. Investing in unstable overseas markets is even more risky. Fear of losing a large investment because of someone like Hugo Chavez feels like nationalizing an industry or some African dictator decides to seize property for himself scares investment away.
Having the U.S. hovering in the background protecting overseas investments with military force allowed overseas investment to flourish. It reduces the overall risk involved in international trading.
Of course, no-one can build anything without US dollars.
You swallow Bill O'Reilly's weird world view, that speaks for itself.
You swallow Bill O'Reilly's weird world view, that speaks for itself.
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Because the U.S. is the only part of 'The West' and not Europe or Australia.
You're taking it out of context. They had attacked American citizens.Macbeth wrote:
It always has been a tool for protecting the economic interest of it's citizens (which common defense falls under). The Tripolitan War was a full declared war to protect U.S. shipping. It wasn't a war for defense it was a war to protect economic interest. The war was carried out by the people who wrote the Constitution.Jay wrote:
It doesn't matter. The United States military is not a tool to be used by business to further their interests. The purpose of the military is spelled out right there in the preamble of the Constitution: "provide for the common defence" does not mean maintaining a multi-million man army.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
America's for profit wars always do start with a supposed attack.
Start learning Japanese, you're going to be finding a pretext to attack them next - again.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ … siness_pop
Start learning Japanese, you're going to be finding a pretext to attack them next - again.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ … siness_pop
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I wouldn't call the war against the Barbary Corsairs a war for profit. We, being a new and poor nation, refused to pay protection money. They seized our shipping, we sacked Tripoli. They were the aggressors.Dilbert_X wrote:
America's for profit wars always do start with a supposed attack.
Start learning Japanese, you're going to be finding a pretext to attack them next - again.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ … siness_pop
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
And now the world pays America protection money to be allowed free trade
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Multinational agreements and institutions do far more to facilitate free trade than military force nowadays. This isn't the 1920s.
Unipolarity is part of what got us into the economic mess we're in today. It's unsustainable for one country to handle all of that without some sort of economic support from those it aids...and I don't think tributes are going to go over too well in the 21st century.
A multipolar world would probably be the best situation, with thriving peer economies in several nations. One would hope that the world is past the expansionist aspirations of the 18th-20th centuries at this point.
A multipolar world would probably be the best situation, with thriving peer economies in several nations. One would hope that the world is past the expansionist aspirations of the 18th-20th centuries at this point.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
why the hell am i hearing noise that iran might try to block the straits of hormuz?
surely they're not THAT crazy?
surely they're not THAT crazy?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Israel and the US are threatening to attack Iran - they are that crazy, I guess its a reminder of part of the likely response.
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read about that. apparently the price of oil actually fell slightly, so clearly the markets think they're full of shit.Spark wrote:
why the hell am i hearing noise that iran might try to block the straits of hormuz?
surely they're not THAT crazy?
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oh, and does this place have an ignore list yet?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
tazz did a script internet wizard thing, check etc. subforum, it's in there
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fixedDilbert_X wrote:
Israel and the US are is threatening to attack Iran - they are that crazy, I guess its a reminder of part of the likely response.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
You've missed the latest GOP "debates" have you? Just about the only one who doesn't want to bomb Iran is Ron Paul.FEOS wrote:
fixedDilbert_X wrote:
Israel and the US are is threatening to attack Iran - they are that crazy, I guess its a reminder of part of the likely response.
they arent president your argument is useless until theyre president
I hope Ron Paul has a heart attack on camera.
Yeah. But how long til a Republican is? And the rhetoric always follows the same line about your closest ally Israel.RTHKI wrote:
they arent president your argument is useless until theyre president
Our closest ally is actually the UK. And we did the square root of fuckall when they had that dust up with Argentina.AussieReaper wrote:
Yeah. But how long til a Republican is? And the rhetoric always follows the same line about your closest ally Israel.RTHKI wrote:
they arent president your argument is useless until theyre president
If Israel hits Iran, our biggest concern will be containment and force protection. Because Iran won't hit back at Israel directly--they'll hit US interests/bases in the region they can effect more easily, even if we have nothing to do with the Israeli action.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
And you plan on voting for who?Macbeth wrote:
I hope Ron Paul has a heart attack on camera.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
ron paul fans get angry when ron paul is slighted in the least. reminds me of fans of the wire
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Nah, I just know that you're a troll, and MacBeth is still in his rebellious I hate everything popular in my age group phase.eleven bravo wrote:
ron paul fans get angry when ron paul is slighted in the least. reminds me of fans of the wire
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Macbeth wrote:
I hope Ron Paul has a heart attack on camera.
GunSlinger OIF II four years ago wrote:
hes got Parkinsons. notice how he shakes every time he speaks.
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