DAST Chat

2011-10-25 21:05:21

#3801

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6404|what

Jay wrote:

Yeah, what is Obama doing pulling all of troops out of Iraq by 2011? Whose stupid idea was that?

Oh, right. The Status of Forces Agreement Bush signed with the Iraqis. I wonder what the benchmark at the end of that agreement that he signed with the Iraqi government? Oh, here it is. All the United States forces shall withdraw from all the Iraqi territory by December 31, 2011.

The media instead focused on the shoe throwing incident that occurred at the same event as Bush’s announcement.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/jon-stewart-obama-iraq

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of a good Obama bashing!

2011-10-25 21:06:49

#3802

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6749

liberal media bias, amirite? you shoulda posted that gif of the thrown shoe . . .

2011-10-25 21:12:10

#3803

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6404|what

Damn liberals.

And Obama's strategy is to move troops into Iran, really? Why would he do such a thing?!

It was only one of the countries repeatedly named as part of the "Axis of Evil" by Republicans during most of the Bush presidency.

2011-10-26 01:12:56

#3804

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6357|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
So you're saying MAD didn't work?

Did we have a nuclear war and we just missed it?

It was immensely costly and ultimately didn't achieve anything.

Fuck Israel

2011-10-26 01:46:17

#3805

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6926|Canberra, AUS

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
So you're saying MAD didn't work?

Did we have a nuclear war and we just missed it?
It was immensely costly and ultimately didn't achieve anything.

No nuclear war = total achievement.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-10-26 01:49:27

#3806

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6357|eXtreme to the maX

Spark wrote:
No nuclear war = total achievement.

Preventing nuclear war by threatening nuclear war is an achievement?

Fuck Israel

2011-10-26 02:46:03

#3807

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6968

Dilbert_X wrote:
Spark wrote:
No nuclear war = total achievement.
Preventing nuclear war by threatening nuclear war is an achievement?

Nash Equilibrium

https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png

2011-10-26 04:55:44

#3808

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6662|'Murka

AussieReaper wrote:
Jay wrote:
Yeah, what is Obama doing pulling all of troops out of Iraq by 2011? Whose stupid idea was that?

Oh, right. The Status of Forces Agreement Bush signed with the Iraqis. I wonder what the benchmark at the end of that agreement that he signed with the Iraqi government? Oh, here it is. All the United States forces shall withdraw from all the Iraqi territory by December 31, 2011.

The media instead focused on the shoe throwing incident that occurred at the same event as Bush’s announcement.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/jon-stewart-obama-iraq

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of a good Obama bashing!

linked totally non-biased article wrote:
The GOP’s knee jerk Obama is a failure Tourette’s would be laughable if it wasn’t doing serious damage to this country. It doesn’t matter what Obama does, Republicans are going to keep hammering home their message that this president is a failure, because they think it will carry them to victory in 2012. If Obama rescued kittens from a tree, they would call him a failure because a leaf hit the ground.

Replace GOP with DNC. Replace Obama with Bush. Replace Republicans with Democrats. Replace 2012 with 2004 and/or 2008.

Hypocrisy much?

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-10-26 04:57:26

#3809

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6662|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
Spark wrote:
No nuclear war = total achievement.
Preventing nuclear war by threatening nuclear war is an achievement?

Now read.

What do you think?

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-10-26 05:43:41

#3810

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|6910|BC, Canada

Yeah it worked, and that more than counts, hard to argure that it was the most sensible method though. Hind-sight is 20/20 though, so it's easy to say that now.

2011-10-26 05:50:46

#3811

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6662|'Murka

Nic wrote:
Yeah it worked, and that more than counts, hard to argure that it was the most sensible method though. Hind-sight is 20/20 though, so it's easy to say that now.

What would've worked better? This is something that has been debated extensively by people with much more global security credentials than anyone here, and they haven't come up with anything that they an agree would've worked more effectively...

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-10-26 05:51:26

#3812

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5610|London, England

AussieReaper wrote:
Jay wrote:
Yeah, what is Obama doing pulling all of troops out of Iraq by 2011? Whose stupid idea was that?

Oh, right. The Status of Forces Agreement Bush signed with the Iraqis. I wonder what the benchmark at the end of that agreement that he signed with the Iraqi government? Oh, here it is. All the United States forces shall withdraw from all the Iraqi territory by December 31, 2011.

The media instead focused on the shoe throwing incident that occurred at the same event as Bush’s announcement.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/jon-stewart-obama-iraq

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of a good Obama bashing!

It has to do with the Iran assassination attempt and the rhetoric that followed. Way to get hysterical and start pointing at the ex president though.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-10-26 05:59:28

#3813

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|6910|BC, Canada

FEOS wrote:
Nic wrote:
Yeah it worked, and that more than counts, hard to argure that it was the most sensible method though. Hind-sight is 20/20 though, so it's easy to say that now.
What would've worked better? This is something that has been debated extensively by people with much more global security credentials than anyone here, and they haven't come up with anything that they an agree would've worked more effectively...

If they had of done it a different way, do you think those same experts would have thought the way we have done it was a more viable option. It seems in most potentially violent encounters escalation is the last route you want to take, here we went with escalation in the extreme.

2011-10-26 06:02:42

#3814

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6357|eXtreme to the maX

Did we really need enough nuclear bombs to obliterate the world 10,000 times over?

What would have worked better is no twitchy nuclear standoff at all, duh, like we have about now.

Fuck Israel

2011-10-26 06:07:50

#3815

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6749

Dilbert_X wrote:
What would have worked better is no twitchy nuclear standoff at all, duh, like we have about now.

really Dilbert? pray tell, who has there hand hovering over the button at the moment? The USSR is history, and i think the biggest nuclear threat are groups obtaining nukes, not countries willing to start nuclear war.

2011-10-26 06:10:37

#3816

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|6910|BC, Canada

One of the issues with way to many nukes laying about?

Last edited by Nic (2011-10-26 06:11:07)

2011-10-26 09:08:02

#3817

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6251|...

Dilbert stop trolling.

inane little opines

2011-10-27 04:07:44

#3818

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6662|'Murka

Nic wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Nic wrote:
Yeah it worked, and that more than counts, hard to argure that it was the most sensible method though. Hind-sight is 20/20 though, so it's easy to say that now.
What would've worked better? This is something that has been debated extensively by people with much more global security credentials than anyone here, and they haven't come up with anything that they an agree would've worked more effectively...
If they had of done it a different way, do you think those same experts would have thought the way we have done it was a more viable option. It seems in most potentially violent encounters escalation is the last route you want to take, here we went with escalation in the extreme.

What escalation? The point of MAD was not to escalate.

Anyone who thinks there really was a "twitchy nuclear standoff" (with a couple of notable exceptions) doesn't read/understand history, apparently.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-10-27 04:59:12

#3819

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6357|eXtreme to the maX

MAD was escalated, each side piled up more and more weapons to the point of absurdity.

Maybe someone can explain how the cold war was in any way useful or productive.

Fuck Israel

2011-10-27 04:59:57

#3820

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6926|Canberra, AUS

cold war =/= MAD

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-10-27 05:01:14

#3821

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6357|eXtreme to the maX

Erm OK

Fuck Israel

2011-10-27 05:03:34

#3822

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6968

Dilbert_X wrote:
MAD was escalated, each side piled up more and more weapons to the point of absurdity.

Maybe someone can explain how the cold war was in any way useful or productive.

Game Theory trollbert.

US builds more nukes, USSR builds more nukes in response. Arms race escalates, USSR collapse: how to defeat your enemies through economic means.

2011-10-27 05:07:27

#3823

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6662|'Murka

MAD was one aspect of the Cold War. Probably a minor part, tbh.

Dilbert_X wrote:
MAD was escalated, each side piled up more and more weapons to the point of absurdity.

Maybe someone can explain how the cold war was in any way useful or productive.

MAD wasn't escalated. MAD just was. To say it was escalated is to not understand the basic concept.

Ask Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, etc... I'm sure folks there will have an opinion about it.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-10-27 05:09:50

#3824

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6357|eXtreme to the maX

Cybargs wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
MAD was escalated, each side piled up more and more weapons to the point of absurdity.

Maybe someone can explain how the cold war was in any way useful or productive.
Game Theory trollbert.

US builds more nukes, USSR builds more nukes in response. Arms race escalates, USSR collapse: how to defeat your enemies through economic means.

The arms race didn't collapse the USSR.

Fuck Israel

2011-10-27 05:27:07

#3825

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6662|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
MAD was escalated, each side piled up more and more weapons to the point of absurdity.

Maybe someone can explain how the cold war was in any way useful or productive.
Game Theory trollbert.

US builds more nukes, USSR builds more nukes in response. Arms race escalates, USSR collapse: how to defeat your enemies through economic means.
The arms race didn't collapse the USSR.

It significantly contributed to it. It wasn't the sole cause, obviously.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

BF2S Forums DAST Chat

Jay wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Spark wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Spark wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

linked totally non-biased article wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Spark wrote:

Nic wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Nic wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Nic wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Nic wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Board footer